SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY, January 21, 2010--If nothing else, this game elicits passion on every level.
Yesterday I wrote my reaction to the Horse of the Year results with thoughts going forward re: a future Rachel Alexandra-Zenyatta match-up(s) later this year.
That’s what I thought I was doing, when threads about synthetic tracks broke out. I wrote a sarcastic throwaway line about “surface of the 21st Century” and wham!
Sorry I wrote the line; no apology intended. But I will have to guard against the covert use of sarcasm in the future. (That’ll happen, right).
So the people want to talk about synthetic tracks? Let’s do it.
I am no fan of artificial surface racing, per se, but neither am I diametrically opposed to them. They have their place, especially in matters of horse safety and in dealing with intemperate atmospherics provided, of course, they are constructed and maintained properly.
Empirical evidence indicates, studies conducted by industry organizations notwithstanding, the jury is still out on safety while most people agree they haven’t performed on the racing front as touted.
If, indeed, we truly got an honest count on the safety issue, then they have helped. But the point is what they replaced were far worse.
Further, they have given birth to new set of injuries and clearly have not proven that they are significantly safer than rigorously maintained conventional dirt tracks given the new technological advances available.
Before turning thoughts to the mandated California debacle, there must be recognition of the fact that all-weather surfaces changed the American game forever. They are, after all, neither turf nor dirt.
Synthetics may look like dirt and the best of them, in my view, act like dirt. Try as I might, I am no fan of Polytrack. Remaining liquid in today’s constricted betting environment is difficult enough without turning too many races into a one-run eight-horse sprint for home.
Hyperbole? Maybe. Using a football analogy, Polytrack turns every race into a 41-38 shootout, last-horse-standing wins.
And, please, no condescending admonition suggesting it’s my job as a handicapper to know the difference and figure it out. I’ve been figuring things out for four decades now and I’m saying that these races, on balance, are harder than they need to be.
I’ve had better success on Hollywood’s Cushion Track and on Tapeta Footings. Cushion Track, in my eyes, plays closer to dirt than other synthetic surfaces. Tapeta works very well in Northern California and, from the little I’ve seen, at Presque Isle Downs.
Empirically, dirt horses rebound better off the Presque Isle surface when returning to the main track. Not only do they run well, all other handicapping variables being equal, but seem to win at a disproportionately high rate.
(Please don’t ask that I allow facts to get in the way of a good story. I’m not going to research charts from every race run at the Erie, Pennsylvania track. In the same manner that research proved there is no correlation between the success of turf horses on synthetics, my preference is for the looks-like-a-duck, acts-like-a-duck approach).
Everything I’ve read or heard in the last 48 hours regarding Santa Anita seriously considering a return to dirt has been positive. But if it’s going to be a return to the old highway racing offered there, or at any of the old California surfaces, for that matter, then don’t bother.
Prior to the 2006 California Horse Racing Board mandate, I much preferred racing at Hollywood Park to Santa Anita. The old Hollywood was reminiscent of racing on an Eastern surface, namely Aqueduct’s, a favorite of many horsemen as well. What I had seen on film was confirmed during the week of Breeders' Cup I in 1984.
Properly maintained dirt surfaces, adverse atmospherics notwithstanding, give every style of horse a chance. Rails get fast or slow depending on maintenance and/or drainage. But tracks such as Aqueduct’s favor neither speedster nor closer. That’s all any horseman, or horseplayer, could ask.
I don’t know where all this will be in 10 years when there’s finally enough evidence to have an intelligent opinion on the use of synthetic surfaces. But the industry somehow must officially recognize that synthetic tracks are a third surface.
All-Weathers are not dirt and not turf. They are what they are; man made. And if the industry has any respect for its history, its people, and its present and future, it must make it official by recognizing it as such in its season-ending awards. (They can take the tack of other awards shows; just hit the highlights in a shorter overall program).
I have read too many Internet comments on this subject to count, and have written about my admiration for the recently retired-again Einstein, who is very special because he won prestigious stakes on all three surfaces. Is there another you could name without thinking twice?
As an aside, no one wants the Eclipse Award ceremonies to be any more unwieldy than it already is, but champions must be crowned on three surfaces if it‘s common to run Grade 1 events on all three surfaces.
Unless, of course, there’s some hidden agenda to eventually abolish them and return to traditional but safer dirt, some amalgam of dirt with a pinch of polymer.
I mention this because Breeders’ Cup officials have spoken about a possible permanent home for the two-day event. If Breeders’ Cup decides on that tack they would do well not to hold the event at a permanent synthetic-surface venue.
All Weather surfaces have attracted better foreign horses in numbers, especially Europeans, as Breeders’ Cup efforts to grow not only the international aspects of the racing tournament but betting handle as well.
However, if Santa Anita, say, were to become a permanent home with an improved Pro Ride or Tapeta surface, it’s a real possibility that Belmont Park would hold its own championship series based on the old Fall Championship model. That possibility has been discussed behind closed doors.
If this were the case in 2009, the potential for Zenyatta winning the Classic and Rachel Alexandra winning, say, the Jockey Club Gold Cup on the same day, would not have been an impossibility. Racing already is a disjointed industry. A dichotomy such as the scenario above would create an irreparable schism, a chasm too wide to cross.
A racing future that includes the continued use and possible expansion of synthetic surface racing at its major venues is unknowable at this point in time. As it is, the future is fraught with enough uncertainty.
20 Jan 2010 at 11:31 pm | #
When we only had dirt 5% of Horseplayers complained about the surface. Now that we have synthetic surfaces over 50% of Horseplayers comlain about the surface. A recent quote said over 80% of the Trainers at Santa Anita don’t like synthetic surfaces. On of the most notable is John Shirreffs, trainer of Zenyatta.
http://horseracing.bloginky.com/2009/10/06/shirreffs-running-on-synthetics-like-running-on-velcro/
Excerpt:
California-based trainer John Shirreffs, who conditions undefeated champion Zenyatta, has long been a vocal opponent of synthetic tracks and, during a national teleconference today, he detailed why he feels the surface does more harm than good in developing young prospects.
“I personally hate synthetics,” Shirreffs said. “I’m more into developing young horses and I find that young horses really don’t like training on synthetics. I don’t know if you can imagine training on Velcro. When the foot lands, it doesn’t slide, it sticks to the ground. Depending on how synthetic the surface is, the horse can’t rotate the foot into the track and push off.
“Imagine running around flat-footed all the time without getting up on your toes and pushing off,” Shirreffs continued. “That’s probably how it would feel to a human.”
How have synthetic surfaces benefitted racing? The road to the triple crown is diminished and so is the battle for HOY.
The safety issue is misleading at best and I believe many of the people who advocate synthetics are outright lying.
How can you take the worst three years of dirt at Del Mar and then compare them to a synthetic surface with a new base and new synthetic material. You can’t but they do it all the time.
In the “you can’t make it up” category, at Del Mar they have installed a reverse osmosis watering system for the Polytrack while horses and humans drink tap water. If you think I’m kidding here it is:
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080713/news_1s13delmar.html
Excerpt:
The DMTC has installed a reverse osmosis system on site that will provide purified water for use on the track. Tap or other unpurified water could contain contaminants that in time would compromise the material.
If people followed this as closely as I do they would get it but very few do. The nuts that run things are so out of control someone has to call them out. What an embarrassment.
To be continued....................
21 Jan 2010 at 12:36 am | #
JRP,
A tip of the cap to your even-handed comments.
I’ve scratched your name off my list of mindless anti-synthetic zealots (Just so you know, that was my attempt at humor, like your “surface of the 21st Century.").
As for Andrew A’s comments about John Shirreffs, I’ll call with synthetic fans Eoin Harty and Ben Cecil, and raise with Hall of Famer Richard Mandella.
Mandella has praised synthetics several times and I have seem nothing over the last few months about him changing that opinion.
In a perfect world, where finances permitted, the ideal racetrack would have: 1) a dirt surface for most scheduled main track races, 2) two expansive turf courses like Belmont Park, and 3) a synthetic surface for training and races rained off the turf and days when the main dirt track was unsafe because of weather.
How does that sound?
21 Jan 2010 at 12:55 am | #
I’ve got to raise you back Nick.LOL
http://www.insidesocal.com/horseracing/2010/01/santa-anita-has-lost-13.html
Excerpt:
“It’s sort of sad for California that the most beautiful track in America ... the surface is just a disaster,” trainer Bob Baffert said. “It’s too bad it’s gone this far. It should have been taken out a long time ago. They have to take it out now. That track is an abomination there. I just hope they talk with some trainers (for input), and I hope they bring in some engineers and do it right this time.”
It’s funny, but one of the arguments in favor of synthetics before they were put in was that they would attract more top trainers and more of the marquee horses. Wrong. Trainers the likes of D. Wayne Lukas and Nick Zito have never liked them, and Todd Pletcher, who maintained a sizable stable here a couple of winters ago, now wants virtually nothing to do with them.
Excerpt:
Baffert admits that he, along with many other trainers, were pro-synthetics when they were first installed. But the tide has now turned. If you took a poll of Santa Anita trainers today, at least 75 to 80 percent were probably dancing in their barns when word came that Pro-Ride has about three months to live.
21 Jan 2010 at 02:39 am | #
Sorry that I can’t go all in with any additional excerpts. I would like to second Mr. Pricci’s comments about handicapping, though. The addition of synthetic surfaces across the continent has added a new complication to (my)handicapping, and as a consequence, I find myself wagering far less when there are horses with synthetic PPs in a race. When combined with my already discouraged interest in betting on horses (though I still own a few), I find myself wagering far less often than in years past.
eric s.
21 Jan 2010 at 03:57 am | #
Nick may be onto something. The AW’s in Hong Kong and Europe are generally no turn races. From a perception standpoint, they seem more palatable than the 1 furlong races in NA that JRP aptly descibed. AW dashes? Another good point by John is the success rate of specfic AW shipouts. Unable to find an explanation and conversations with a couple of capable trainers arrived at no conclusion.
21 Jan 2010 at 05:02 am | #
When the synthetic issue first arrived, I felt it was good for the horses and their well being. I watched in horror the last BC Championship races at Churchill and Jersey. I cried all the way home and swore I would never return.The Churchill surface was on a slant from all the scraping they did that day. The problems with dirt tracks is just that they soup them up,make the rail,speed hard, and seal them when the first drop of rain hits. Sealing no matter what you have been told, is NOT in the best interest of any horses feet or legs. Unfortunately,the average gambler could care less about that. All they want is a winning ticket no matter what happens to the horses. I have heard enough grumblings from race trackers when their horse loses or has broken down. As if, that is what the horses wanted to do in the first place.
The unfortunate situation here is they rushed into this idea without much study. Keeneland doesn’t seem to have the drainage issues but they only run 6 weeks out of the year. I don’t have a dislike for poly as you do,John. I understand it more since Keeneland is my favorite track. The pictures they displayed of the process, showed a lot of work was centered around drainage.
Dirt tracks would be fine if they had real experts developing them. Not the inept ones we have seen before. No more “fixing” the surface during races to suit one trainer over another. This does happen… they also lie to us when they say the track is fast when there is still quite a bit of moisture in it just to make the bettors bet more money at the windows since they know gamblers feel more confident on a fast track.(overheard call from a trainer to an owner)
Also, many trainers run sore horses. They inject their ankles,use bute at some tracks not only for training but races as well, use their “chemical warfare” of new drugs that are still not detected by drug testing. One, use to cut the frogs out to make the horse run faster…
So many issues. I for one, found the safety at SA during the two BC years, comforting. At least I did not leave in tears. There must be a happy medium out there. It should NOT be what you handicappers want...but what is good for the horses who by the way are the ones putting their lives on the line daily.
21 Jan 2010 at 05:10 am | #
I was an above average player in terms of betting handle, much of it wagered on California racing. Most years I’d show a modest profit wagering on So Cal racing. That changed dramatically with the switch to synthetics. Not only did synthetics add a new wrinkle to what already is a very challenging sport, each track sported a different “brand” of synthetics.
I agree with John’s impressions. I hate Polytrack and haven’t wagered on a single Del Mar race in two years. Pro Ride’s no favorite of mine either. Cushion track is playable as is Tapeta,(the best of synthetics by far, IMO), but racing at Hollywood and GG tend to have small unattractive fields.
Here’s the mistake they made:
When synthetics were installed, no one took into account the feelings of horseplayers, without whom there isn’t a business. Obviously many players have cut back or left the sport entirely. Just look at betting handles. Yes, it’s a slow economy, but gamblers find a way to gamble even in the worst of times. So I don’t buy the recession as the only reason wagering on the races has declined so sharply.
The only place for a synthetic racetrack is during a winter circut. Turfway’s a good example of a track that’s benefited.
But Arlington, Keeneland and the California tracks?? It’s ridiculous they choose not to race on dirt.
21 Jan 2010 at 05:42 am | #
Although I understand what you are saying, the problems started with breakdowns. Too many black eyes to the racing image. Owners didn’t like the fact their horses were being injured or even worse being euthanized. Fans were leaving and PETA was taking over.Steroids were being scrutanized as they should be.
I think they were thinkng this would be a good fix for the problems, but not enough preparation.N program no matter what it is, works overnight. I beleive they thought all problems would cease and racing would recover.
I was glad to see that speed favoring mess at Keeneland go. You now know how that track will play and wager accordingly. The track officals tell the fans the condition of the poly and turf tracks daily. From how much watering or tractoring the polytrack received that morning plus how high the grass is on the turf course, which plays heavily in some turf bettors plays.
The real push with surface change started with the disasters the dirt surfaces were showing. I don’t mind either surface, but the dirt surface needs to be laid correctly and maintained properly and fairly to all, horses and horse players.
21 Jan 2010 at 05:56 am | #
Thank you one and all!
Most, if not all the threads, were thought provoking and show an understanding of the entire issue despite many views that were, on its face, in opposition.
I was happy for the intelligent, fair discourse.
Anne, while I’m no fan of Polytrack, do agree that Keeneland is the best of those. Sadly, as a horseplayer, a difficult high-class race meet has become that in the extreme. I find my play limited to mostly turf racing.
The safety of the race horse and considerations for the horseplayer need not be mutually exclusive. My old Economics professor said the first rule of management is “forget sunk costs.”
In that spirit, future decisions must balance the two if the game is to go forward.
Nick, you made me, in the language of the Internet, LOL! Guess it would be good if all of us who get so wrapped up in this game found more time to laugh.
As for the rest of the ideas in this thread, I echo the sentiments of Mr. Springsteen: “Is there anybody alive out there?”
JRP
21 Jan 2010 at 06:05 am | #
JP,
A well thought out and reasoned column as usual.
Now my take for what it’s worth. I am not a t this time a synthetic fan. Doesn’t mean I couldn’t change my mind, just not at this time. I remember when Mr. McKnight was trying the Tartan surfaces in Florida, first at old Tropical (just the thought of that and my insides are starting to jump around in remembrance of the pounding), then Calder. Mr. McKnight “was trying his best to give an improved, safe racing surface” He Failed and they gave it up. Now the new surfaces. From what I can see, albeit it mostly on the tube here in my ops room, the horse does not stride out the way I feel a horse does on the dirt. Again, just my view. To me, they do not look comfortable, especially in the rear and that seems to be where the newer injuries have sprung up.
Anne brings up something I believe also. A great trackman can develop and maintain a great dirt track. When I was young in the 60’s we were stabled in Bard D at Sportsmans. I remember going out after the races and being young, many all nighters. Whenever I came back to the tack room, didn’t matter the late hour, there were tractors always working that track. sportsmans in the sixties, even being a 5/8ths bullring as it was, was still one of the safest tracks I had ever seen for the horse. so it can be done with dirt.
21 Jan 2010 at 06:06 am | #
P.S. Forgot to mention. There is simply no excuse for surfaces to be labeled dishonestly. The NYRA gets credit here for being the first venue to use the designation wet-fast, which also appeared in past performances around that same time. (Don’t remember whether it was Racing Times or DRF).
In any event, mislabeling leaves a bad taste. I personally avoid those tracks on those occasions where I don’t trust the information I’m being fed.
Anne, sealing is done for two reasons: it hastens the drying process and jockeys feel safer riding over it as opposed to uneven wet surfaces. The riders shouldn’t blackmail the tracks into granting their wishes. But in matters of limb and life, I completely defer.
However, as you noted, the practice of sealing makes tracks harder and clearly that doesn’t work for the animals. Sadly, again, there aren’t enough talented track superintendents to go around. And even they have no choice but to heed management’s insistance on drying surfaces ASAP in the interest of betting handle.
JRP
21 Jan 2010 at 06:36 am | #
Sorry Anne, you could not fill a school bus with the # of people making $ in CA racing today. Gone are the 7-10 yo runners that once were worthwhile in bute jurisdictions. The players who knew how to use them, close behind. If Tapeta is better, why don’t more guys from down south race up there? $8k maidens are economic disasters; 5 wins in a row would not get an owner out. Walked on or winched on to the back of a killer’s van makes no difference to the guy paying the bills, though, admiitedly, the crowd, if there was 1, will go home happier. What once worked, will work again. The answer to all of this lies far away from racetrack surfaces. It can be found in a viable plan of business.
21 Jan 2010 at 07:03 am | #
People need to remember what racing was like in 2006-2007 with so many breakdowns in big televised races. Racing was going to lose all fans not in the sport for handicapping reasons, I stopped telling my friends to watch racing knowning they would hate to see a horse break down like Barbarao, Pine Island or George Washington and would forever be turned off from the sport. I think California rushed into the decision to mandate synthetic surfaces without making sure the surface was really safer, but I think they were under a lot of pressure to try something. Maybe a synthetic surface is not the answer, but we cannot go back to the way it was.
If racing is ever going to be a major sport again it has to be safer for the horses. Racing needs one authority to regulate the sport, to eliminate drugs and set safty standards.
21 Jan 2010 at 07:12 am | #
In the spirit of safety for the horses can anyone tell me how many fatalities Saratoga had and then how many Del Mar had with a fairly new surface. The answer might surprise you. LOL
I think all tracks should copy the surface at Saratoga. In the interest of safety of course.
21 Jan 2010 at 07:14 am | #
The best answer is to be able to train on synthetic, and race on dirt. Synthetics no doubt are superior than dirt to train on, BUT, most soft tissue, and hind end problems, seem to surface after working, or racing on a synthetic surface. Synthetics surfaces are more tiring, stressful to run on. One only need to walk on a synthetic surface then walk on a dirt surface. Quite a difference for a human, more so for a horse. If indeed the welfare of the horse is first (which I seriously doubt), then a synthetic training surface should be made available, with actual workouts, and racing taking place on dirt! You would then have the best of both worlds, and a happy horse!
21 Jan 2010 at 07:31 am | #
Sorry to you Frank; referring to WO ONLY, most people keep their babies off the AW for as long as possible and bigger fields were promoted as a guaranteed part of the package.
21 Jan 2010 at 07:32 am | #
Trainers who raced horses on the old CA dirt tracks said it was like running on concrete. It makes no sense to liken a poor quality dirt track to the dirt track at Saratoga (for instance). Not all dirt is created equal. Nor are all horses in peak condition when they run.
There should be someone, somewhere doing national research that doesn’t just compare apples and oranges - deaths on old CA dirt vs. deaths on new CA synthetics. Or synthetics in CA only and all lumped together instead of each type considered individually. Or ANYTHING in CA only, for that matter.
Research ought to involve all possible pertinent variables - the horses’ medical histories and condition; the exact composition of the dirt or synthetic at each track where deaths/injuries occur; the weather (Saratoga’s single fatality in 2 years occurred on a sodden, sloppy track.); etc., etc.
Research ought to be national in scope, applying the same scientific method across the board, equally, identically, at all tracks in all racing states. If that sort of research were done, sensible, well-founded decisions good for racing everywhere could be made.
Unfortunately, thanks to its anachronistic localized management system, racing has no authoritative mechanism to mandate comprehensive, detailed national research, just as it has no authoritative mechanism for doing anything.
CA is doing its own pilot study – which will consider multiple factors and will allow the comparison of one CA track to another, and one CA synthetic surface to another, but will do little to answer the overarching debate. By the time all the other localities have done their own studies, with methodology tweaked to accommodate their own local concerns, we’ll be years further down the road toward self-destruction.
21 Jan 2010 at 09:43 am | #
there may be nothing wrong with polytracks , as just a racetrack (although i even doubt that istrue)but its been done with very little input, history, testing and its idea is sold by some crazy english snake oil salesman so we be more like our European cousins (and im my opinion pushed by the morons at the Breeders Cup so we could have a NWO in racing)than thats plain foolish
HOWEVER i come at from nothing more than a HANDICAPPER...horse racing is PARTICIPATING sport and not a SPECTATOR sport, thus when the nfl decided to ruin their players knees by going to artficial turf i didnt care very much and still watch the games.....HORSE RACING took over 100 years of history , past peformances , trainging angles, biases of different tracks, etc....all learned over a career by lifetime handicappers was thrown out the window in the mater of a few years.....and its not just the polycrap tracks, as i could avoid them totally as i do and isolate them, nothe main problem is when the PLASTIC horses come to the dirt tracks and F*CK UP each race they are entered in....there is NO longer a way to have a strong feeling in the race and that means you cannot wager with a strong opinion and the downward spiral begins.....i came to horse racing 25 years ago and took my lumps the first 5-10 years to study and learn the handicapping angles that work for me (and i still am learning) and now that has been thrown away and i feel like i have been had once again....horse racing has become a game of roulette and I HATE ROULETTE, otherwise i just would have went to the casinos 25 years ago and been treated better than the tracks ever have treated their customers
21 Jan 2010 at 10:06 am | #
To JRP,Horserun and anyone else complaining about artificial handicapping:
If the races are truly undecipherable, lay the favorites and back the longshots. Last i checked, the roulette wheel has equal odds for each number, i’ve yet to see a horserace where that is true. It is amusing to listen to “handicappers” opine about “track biases” by race 4, and then throw in the towel on synthetics. Do you guys work for GM? Stop trying to rest on your laurels and rise to the challenge.
21 Jan 2010 at 10:12 am | #
Mr. Pricci, your economics professor was wrong. The first MYTH of management is that it exists (Heller’s law). The rush to synthetics offers proof thereof.
21 Jan 2010 at 11:35 am | #
I can name a horse that has won arguably prestigious races on all 3 surfaces. Panty Raid.
American Oaks - turf
Spinster - synthetic
Black eyed Susan - dirt
21 Jan 2010 at 12:13 pm | #
Hopefully Del Mar will go back to Dirt. If i’m going to follow a circuit seriously, i don’t want to have to skip a few months and then watch a few months in order to have established form. When Del Mar ends, you are going to have to let the form get back to normal, so how many days of ‘watching’ are you going to have to do before you make a wager on Oak Tree’s dirt track with most horses coming in off a polytrack race at Del Mar?
21 Jan 2010 at 12:41 pm | #
Your idiotic assessment is about what we’ve come to expect from a half-wit.
Does anybody ever hear from Golden Gate or Presque Isle Downs with regard to any question that synthetic surfaces are safer than the outdated dirt surfaces of the eventual past?
Curiously, you won’t hear much in the way of horse safety concerns from the Meydan race course either.
The only reason horse players even raise an eyebrow with regard to “the new surfaces” is because you gave them a built-in excuse for every $2 show bet that lost in a photo finish who “would’ve got there on the old surface(s)”.
That’s human nature. Liken it to what could be a wave of Republican wins in the next couple of off-year elections. Anyone who believed that things were wrong in the not-so-distant past, and voted Democrat across the board just for change, clearly cannot have seen enough evidence to leap up and go the other way now, just for the sake of new “change”.
Synthetic surfaces impact horse players now moreso because you told them the surface had changed, than because of any actual change in the surface.
(you could stealthfully do a complete overhaul on the surface at Fair Grounds early next week and the faithful wouldn’t raise an eyebrow as to anything being “different” unless you told them something had changed)
Meanwhile, just stick to explaining foolish statements like this one:
“But the point is what they replaced were far worse.”
(whatever that is supposed to mean)
21 Jan 2010 at 02:04 pm | #
Londono,
What synthetics replaced were the hard California dirt surfaces which were far worse in terms of horse safety.
Now let me understand this: Horseplayers are getting confused handicapping synthetic tracks because “I” (or maybe other handicappers) told them that the surface was different?
Huh?
Jen,
No arguably about it. Good job! Panty Raid most definitely qualifies; she won three first class events.
OK, that’s two. Well done.
JRP
21 Jan 2010 at 02:15 pm | #
Thank you John for your responses to my comments. I have no real preference but I am glad you saw my point in having proper people handling dirt tracks.Whatever they use, make it safe! It took me a while to figure out the Keeneland polytrack but eventually it happened. I know certain sires to look for and know that speed can be good or a bad thing when handicapping. Certain jockeys can handle a horse on synthetics better than others. Calvin Borel was hopeless at Keeneland as he was at Saratoga’s dirt track last year.(1 win) He rules as Pat Day once did, at Churchill. Don’t give him the rail…
So there are some angles I look for. Certain trainers seem to have worked out their issues and can run horses on any surface. Ken McPeek certainly can. Bob Baffert has figured it out.
The stakes race last week from CA the second and third place horses were running on sythnetics first time out. So nothing seems set in stone.
Another blogger mentioned Panty Raid.
The Keeneland website offers Jeremy Plok (sp) who gives a great analysis of horses running that day along with a another area that tells how workouts went for horses running. You can’t beat them when it comes to helping the fans.
I am not sure what Douglas Amos was refering when mentioning my name dealing with the bute issue. I am not in favor of horses running on bute. I also know the tough times CA tracks are having but our great leader here for NY tracks is threatening to shut down due to lack of money as well.
Mike also has addressed some very good issues. It was a tough break during that Kentucky Derby with 8 Belles. It came on the heals of Barbaro and Pine Island, the George Washington mess...It really turned off a lot of people especially those that only watch on those televised “big” races.
I have an exercise rider friend that says...the horses love Keeneland surface during workouts...they bounce on it like a ball but...it doesn’t build the necessary muscle needed. Food for thought in the hind end issues. (Maybe)
21 Jan 2010 at 02:27 pm | #
Props to you, John, for calling attention to the fact there is a variety or different synthetic surfaces. Just as there are differences between the consistencies of dirt racetracks, the poly types aren’t the same either. Too many people just scream “polycrap” and don’t know what they’re talking about.
Perhaps California can take a look at what types of synthetic tracks do the best in their climate and get rid of any that don’t drain well or can’t be tended so the surface plays fair to all horses.
As you pointed out, just switching to dirt doesn’t solve the problem unless they carefully tend that surface, too.
21 Jan 2010 at 02:33 pm | #
Just noticed this headline on Paulick Report: “JOCKEYS, TRAINERS PRAISE TAPETA SURFACE AFTER TRIALS AT MEYDAN IN DUBAI.”
Apparently, synthetic surfaces can be done well.
21 Jan 2010 at 04:08 pm | #
Two points:
Turf Paradise canceled Friday’s racing due to the same storm that is soaking California. They race on dirt.
It poured all day at Golden Gate and they had no trouble with drainage or anything else with their Tapeta track. When Santa Anita had to cancel multiple days of racing two years ago, Golden Gate, with worse weather, never missed training or racing.
21 Jan 2010 at 06:17 pm | #
The REAL question, the one nobody seems willing to address, is not “Is the Tide Turning Against All-Weather Surfaces?” but is “ The Tide Turning against doing ANYTHING AT ALL to improve the chances for survivability of the horses.”
In all the discussions about track surface leading up the BC Classic, I have not seen where a single proponent of the dirt track expressed any concern at all that far too many horses are dying on it nor I have seen where any of them have offered any solution that might cut the injury and fatality rate.
The majority of the argument against synthetic tracks has centered around the inability of handicappers to pick winners on it.
That’s not to say the current state of the art when it comes to synthetics is a solution, it’s clearly not.
But I have a feeling that as far as the pro-dirt lobby goes, NO solution that isn’t dirt will EVER be acceptable.
21 Jan 2010 at 06:50 pm | #
I think we have discussed the idea that they need to hire people with more knowledge when constructing dirt tracks. At one time during all the public viewed deaths on the track, the powers at be were looking at the way horses land on their feet when running and how they run...knowing that hard tracks cause hoof problems along with break downs.How could they correct these problems? The hoof expert that worked on Big Brown,to name one, stated that the hard tracks cause feet and leg issues and they need to change the surface structure.But, all of a sudden this good idea, went to the way side. As usual, a good idea was started but no one wanted to take the time to take it that one step further.
Changing to dirt at SA isn’t the answer, as was stated previously. Someone mentioned that Stronach wanted to cut corners and therefore did not put the proper drainage in the track. No surprise if that is true, as the shopping mall,dining area, casino and bikini girls were his main concern. I truly believe if they could collaborate with feet specialists and soil specialists and equestrian vets, they might come up with a safe dirt track but...would the handicappers and hard core gamblers like it...probably not… they want that fast, hard track.... speed kills....
I hope SA will take their time before changing to that old rock hard dirt track they previously had.
I also thought they were keeping track of injuries and fatalities during work hours and racing hours...not sure what the results were if there ever was any.
22 Jan 2010 at 12:29 am | #
The notion that the material sometimes known as “dirt” has any sort of consistency from one track to another is a well known joke in the industry. Tell me, is the surface at Belmont the same as the surface at Oak Lawn? Is the “dirt” at Churchill the same stuff as the “dirt” at Monmouth? Do you mean to say that no horse favors one track over the others? Is the composition of all the dirt used on racetracks in America mined at the same “race track dirt mine”, and then specially formulated for use in each unique locale? I’ve stood on track surfaces in widely different areas, and noticed that some tracks are more like beach sand, and in other areas more like a “slick as snot” red clay. How can that be, if it’s all the same “dirt”? But, when it comes to the discussion or argument about synthetic tracks, all dirt tracks “play the same” and are good, but all synthetic tracks are “junk” and bad. The truth that everyone should acknowledge but doesn’t; is that it just isn’t that simple.
The experiment (because that’s how it should be viewed) with synthetic surfaces needs extensive examination. It is not the panacea it was supposed to be for the horse. Nor is it an unquestioned evil foisted upon an unsuspecting and blissfully happy betting public. Whose singular result is that it has destroyed horse racing.
As an owner of horses I have a different agenda at work with our horses, than the agenda of the average player. I want my horses coming home each time safe and sound. That is the first priority. Of course winning or at least hitting the board, is why we do this; but not at all costs to the horse. Bettors want winners from facts and patterns that they can understand. What happens to my horse is not their first concern, nor should it be. It’s my horse after all. Horseplayers and horse owners should find common ground in wanting a track surface that is consistent, safe, and fair.
As an industry, the horseplayer, the tracks and horsemen had all best remember that this is supposed to be entertainment, not a life and death struggle. When we cease to entertain and make horror and gruesome spectacle our norm, we are done, finished in the public eye. If we ignore the injuries and deaths of these magnificent animals, it won’t matter if their deaths and our ultimate demise, happens on a “dirt” track or a “plastic” one,
22 Jan 2010 at 12:50 am | #
Well said.
22 Jan 2010 at 06:39 am | #
zed, ditto what Anne said.
The wide variation in surface quality - whether dirt or synthetic - is exactly why simultaneous, comprehensive research should be done in ALL states at ALL tracks IMMEDIATELY or even SOONER.
Decision makers should have some basic, reliable information before they spend millions more on quick-fixes that don’t perform as promised. For instance, X number of horses with X physical factors and X medical histories sustained X number/type of injuries on X surface composition in X weather.
22 Jan 2010 at 07:22 am | #
Noelle, I agree with you as well. Too bad no one is listening to the three of us, that counts.
The horses are the stars and should be treated as such. It is their “red carpet” and it should not have a ripple in it.
22 Jan 2010 at 09:07 am | #
BTW, does anyone know the composition of polytrack? I’ll answer part of that...80% is SAND. That’s right 4/5ths organic material but those ignorant of the facts act as if it were made from McDonalds Supersize cups. A study done by the U of Cal Davis found that hoof force landing on poly was only 57% of the same force landing on dirt. I’m not a scientist but if you have less force per square inch on that little hoof you’re gonna have less stress on bone. Most dirt purists will never change(I know I used to be one). Change is always difficult, I remember the first synthetic track installed at Remington park...total disaster. But change can be welcomed when it’s continually improved. It’s not difficult to look at the progress we’ve made in football surfaces since Astoturf.
22 Jan 2010 at 09:15 am | #
I’d just like to reiterate what I said in my earlier post. A: Dirt tracks can be safe as Anne said, if done correctly and well maintained. As I stated. in my eyes, the horse do not look comfortable. Someone also mentioned the fact that when galloping the horses feel like theyr are bouncing which does not build up the rear muscles. Good point as that is what it looks like to my old eyes!
I am wondering one thing. there has been so much progress made as to understanding a horse’s stride, etc. With the video facilities we have today, has anyone done a comparison as to strides on dirt versus the various synthetics? I’d find it hard to believe if they haven’t, but I haven’t seen anything like that yet.
B: As I said before, starting with the old Tartan Track, efforts have been made to develop a safe consistant synthetic track. This is a noble effort. “ I am not at this time a synthetic fan. Doesn’t mean I couldn’t change my mind, just not at this time.” The industry is in the middle of an experiment. Unfortuantely, the only true test is racing on the surface. Like it or not, it is the only true assessment. As such, the industry must soldier on until all are satisfied as to what is really best.
We can’t just go back to dirt and drop it at that. The industry already did that once as I stated earlier.
22 Jan 2010 at 03:59 pm | #
How come I don’t hear anyone talking about the human impact of synthetics. The numerous injuries sustained this yr. on these racetracks was on heard of until they were installed. I have heard of no outside testing to reveal if this is safer for human beings. With injuries to Renee Douglas, Michael Straight, and at Keenland as well as woodbine to riders. Why is this not being discussed more?
I agree whoke hardly with John Sheriffs when people as well as horses land on this surface they look like yard darts! And I am not sure why that is not being discussed. These spills were as grossum as I have ever seend and in a very very short period of time! There might not be statistics on this stuff, but I think the time frame of these accidents speak for themselves. and I would really like to know why why the riders have not been considered more on the synthetic issues?!!!!
22 Jan 2010 at 04:37 pm | #
Ask Ruffian what she thinks of “dirt”.
Humpty Dumpty crumbles into pieces:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNE_TYIqkmY
Good Ole American dirt = A “special” surface
22 Jan 2010 at 04:58 pm | #
Foolish Pleasure,
Watch how Bayakoa stays “glued” to Go For Wand’s throatlatch through some punishing fractions.
Finally...Go for Wand wants no more of Bayakoa and caves in just past the 1/16 pole on Belmont Park’s “dirt: surface:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7JBsb00Lbs
22 Jan 2010 at 06:27 pm | #
I was at the Keeneland meet and didn’t see any major breakdowns during the races,only one after a race. Also the injuries(none of these at Keeneland) to the two jockeys mentioned one was on the turf and it was a careless jock’s ride that interferred with Rene’s horse and the horse went down head over heals and onto Rene. It was the worse incident I have ever witnessed on any racetrack. Later the steward’s suspended the jock in question.
Some of these falls are not related to the tracks themselves. Some the horses are already running on 1 leg such as Wanderin Boy and just couldn’t take the rigors of running anymore. (Due to greed in some cases).
Ruffian had suffered a slab fracture in the sorority stakes and later came back to race again. She came from a weak boned famiy as well. Her sire had 3 breakdowns never fatal until one in his paddock which was his demise. His sire Bold Ruler also had leg issues. So some are hereditary.
There is no quick fix as many have stated and there are a lot of variables, but we need to try. If a gulf course green’s keeper can come up with a way he can construct a beautiful grass course, you would think we could engineer a safe dirt, grass or synthetic track. It will take time but we need to start or continue our efforts.
22 Jan 2010 at 11:58 pm | #
Climate and how the track is maintained are crucial whether the surface is dirt or synthetic. There is a reason why Saratoga’s dirt was free of fatal breakdowns in 2009.
The other side of the coin is Gulfstream. It has been a hard surface for years. DRF has a current story about the breakdown of a stakes winner trained by Bruce Levine.
In the story, Levine describes how he has a schedule for his top 3yo Buddy’s Saint. In the article he says:
“Something like (the breakdown) makes you wary, but you’ve got to move on. The track has been much too hard the past several days, but I’m on a schedule with (Buddy’s Saint) and you just can’t wait for the track to be exactly the way you want.”
http://www.drf.com/news/article/110311.html
23 Jan 2010 at 02:00 am | #
It all deals with maintenance. Saratoga was mostly a sloppy to wet track last summer.So it was sealed. I know several came back sore from that. I thought there were a few breakdowns in workouts. Saratoga is funny about announcing the truth unless it is on a race day and they can’t hide it.
Stronach’s goal for his precious Gulfstream was not the welfare of the horses but his mall,casino and restaurant. Just look at the turf course right now… It looks like durf. So it doesn’t surprise me the condition of the dirt track.
Many horses do poorly there because of the conditions of both surfaces there. Once they leave, if sound, start to show some new life. I have a horse there now and not anxiously awaiting any race soon on that track. He trains elsewhere.
Until they get someone equine smart at these racetracks and NOT only think of the handicappers and hard core gamblers who demand a fast track, along with proper breeding, staying away from known sires who pass weaknesses, along with the inconsistencies by all tracks on their drug laws, fatalities will continue.
Continued efforts to improve the idiosyncrasies with synthetics as well as dirt tracks is needed before we will ever see the safety of the horse as it should be.
23 Jan 2010 at 04:00 am | #
JP, I’m in complete agreement with you here regarding handicapping plastic. The race begins with 3 to 4 furlongs left, and it comes down to the horse who has the best supply of oxygen coupled with the best late trip.
That type of randomness works OK with a zero percent track takeout, but unfortunately that isn’t the case.
Horseplayers are always looking for an excuse why they can’t win (of course it is mostly because of the takeout), but plastic surfaces give many a very good excuse to stay away from them because it really does take away from basic predictability.
I’m all for what is safest for the horse, but I think that the proponents of plastic don’t say much about getting rid of pain masking drugs and procedures, both legal and illegal, which I believe is the main reason horses die on the track.
23 Jan 2010 at 05:43 am | #
I can’t confirm this, but I just heard a report that Bruce Levine did not train Buddy’s Saint this morning at Gulfstream.
The apparent reason? The track was too hard.
23 Jan 2010 at 06:14 am | #
Ann,
What a great point about Ruffian! Of course, this brings me to another one of my pet rants. I am and have been of the belief for some time now that the breed has weekened considerably as to soundness. We are turning out infirm foals! I posed this question a few weeks ago. When I was young, we raced our horses 20 to 25 timme a year. Now we’re lucky if we run them once a month. What caused this? As you said, some of this is clearly hereditary. But what about some other factors. Are we starting our two year olds to soon (an age old arguement to be sure)? How many horses are out there training hard and their knees haven’t even closed yet? Are we actually training our horses hard enough? By that I mean, are the old set methods actually the best.
Some years back there was a foray into “Interval Training”. Not going to get ultra specific, here, but a guy named Tom Ivers wrote a book called the fit race horse ("85" or so I believe). If memory serves, a few horse men tried his methods, took alot of heat being called cruel, etc. and from what I’ve seen the idea was more or less dropped. But there was one thing in his treatise that stood out in my mind, which in turn relates to this discussion. He wrote that the T-Bred horsemen did not put a good bottom under their horses combined with what he felt was bad nourishment. He based this at the time on science, trying to train a horse scientifically as human athletes trained. The main thing he put out though was this. Hard work combined with good nourishment built up the bone structure of the athlete, be it human or horse. As there is no such thing (and never has been according to the old adage) a sound racehorse, is this something we should be looking into as well?
As I said, working on finding a safe surface is a great thing. But reacting rashly to a percieved problem and mandating things that have not been completely thought out and studied is and always will be a disaster.
JC,
Good point as to the riders. Chalkk mentioned Polytrack being 80% sand but the force of the hoof hitting the ground was much less. As such, in theory shouldn’t the riders also be hitting with less force. Could it be the base surfaces underneath causing these injuries? I’m not trying to be flippant here, but as you state everything seems to be aimed at the survival of the horse. That is all we hear. As such, has there been any studies at all as to jockey injuries. While testing these new surfaces, has anyone even once taken a sensored crash dummy and tried to simulate different falls, angles, etc.? I remember back in the earliy 70’s a study on being hit by a horse’s hoof in the head (I believe that was after the Joe Lopez fall at sportsmans and I vaguely remember some studies that led to the bullet proof vests all riders now wear.
Again, these are all questions that have to be answered. This is indeed an experiment as stated, but it is a good experiment if it leads to the safest conditions possible.
23 Jan 2010 at 07:52 am | #
Interesting take on synthetics at http://www.racingbase.com/category/Racing-News/Gio-Ponti-installed-7-2-favourite-in-2010-Dubai-World-Cup-betting-201001210040/
“The switch to Tapeta has certainly benefitted the betting shape of the race. There is much more depth and competitiveness to this year’s contest, with 13 horses priced between 7-2 and 16-1”, added Clare.”
23 Jan 2010 at 01:53 pm | #
Migliore was aboard Honest Wildcat, who was in contention while three wide at the eighth pole when that horse suddenly broke down, hurling Migliore hard to the ground. Honest Wildcat did a somersault and was later euthanized having suffered two fractured sesamoids in his right foreleg.
Interesting since someone said how safe the Big A is. I know this is not the only horse this winter to breakdown on this track this winter. Not one, but TWO sesamoids… ugh… glad I missed that scene.
24 Jan 2010 at 10:26 am | #
It seems very clear to me that all commentors since my last post have one agenda in common; the safety and welfare of the horse, as it should be.
It is also clear that everyone recognizes differences between synthetics and dirt, dirt with other dirt, synthetics with other synthetics.
Only one disappointing aspect in my view. Just as Rachel-Zenyatta debates have raged on this site since the day after the Breeders’ Cup, often with much rancor, there’s some of that slipping in here.
Hey, people, we’re all the same team, right?
But, I guess, why should racing be any different to the other debates going on in this country today. The words outside of our arean have been so polarizing, with disparate factions speaking in absolutes. Seems to me this eliminates the possibility of compromise, so that the focus can be on the issue, and not on each other.
Thanks one and all.
JRP
24 Jan 2010 at 11:17 am | #
Having followed this dirt vs synthetics over many months, I’m not entirely convinced people ARE on the same team when it comes to race track safety issues when they conflict with the priorities of the hard core bettors and the handicappers.
I remember after Eight Belles died in full view of millions, one person was quoted as saying “Eight Belles is the price we have to pay to Secretariat”.
You also may recall that with all of Mr. Jackson’s fine talk about only caring about “what’s best for the horse”, the year that Curlin won the BC Classic on dirt, George Washington lay dying in the mud.
Dirt was hardly “best” for THAT great champion.
Since the Rachel-Zenyatta debates have been brought up here, it’s worth noting that a large part of the verbiage had nothing to do with the relative merits and accomplishments of the horses themselves, but was centered on the claimed negatives of the synthetic surface.
So while the question of HOTY has been settled, the root question of how far does the sport want to go to improve the survivability of the horses and their jockeys has not, and so we expect the animosity will continue.
It will be interesting to see if the upcoming World Cup in Dubai will have any effect on the debate raging in this country.
24 Jan 2010 at 10:09 pm | #
Read the facts about synthetic surfaces in California:
This data (below) has been compiled by California Equine Medical Director Dr. Rick M. Arthur and by the Equibase Company.
Main track racing fatalities at Del Mar declined from 2.47 per 1,000 starts on the dirt surface from 2004-2006 to 1.65 per 1,000 on Polytrack from 2007-2009.
Main track racing fatalities for major California tracks — Santa Anita/Oak Tree, Hollywood Park, Golden Gate Fields and Bay Meadows — went from 3.09 per 1,000 starts on dirt from 2004-07 to 1.68 per thousand starts on engineered surfaces from 2007-09.
Del Mar has seen reductions in “career ending did not finish,” “annual did not finish” and “annual reported post-race injuries” since the switch to Polytrack.
25 Jan 2010 at 07:17 am | #
Tvnewsbadge, GW was murdered for the insurance. The Irish Mafia get their dough 1 way or another. Eight Belles was also lame; watch the post parade. Blame those 2 on unscrupulous people, not the racing surface. Porter was up to his old tricks in the bayou saturday. FF ran the the stretch on the wrong lead; unheard of in a Gr lll. Don’t blame the racetrack when he goes down.
25 Jan 2010 at 07:32 am | #
tvnewsbadge - The Jockey Club’s “The Catastrophic Injury Special Report” in 2008 examined deaths per 1,000 starts in California (1.7), Kentucky (1.4) and Florida (1.2). While it is encouraging to see that CA’s switch to synthetics has lowered its death rate to a point where it is more in line with that of these Eastern dirt track states, the fact that CA is now only “competitive” with respect to deaths per 1000 starts argues that CA’s pre-synthetics dirt tracks were in very bad shape indeed.
28 Jan 2010 at 08:43 pm | #
Belmont,
A real eye opener! Interesting statistics and facts. Thanks for sharing with us.