The latest problem occurred in December when it was learned that it failed to reduce its takeout on super-exotic wagers from 26% to 25% as was required by statute back in September, 2010.
Consequently, NYRA and its simulcast partners kept one more percent of the money wagered than it was entitled to. The NYRA was ordered to refund the money, $1.2 million, that it overcharged horseplayers. The association agreed to do so.
At a meeting before the Franchise Oversight Board on Tuesday, a panel charged to, well, oversee NYRA operations--but also failed to discover the “oversight” in a timely manner—once again held NYRA to account.
However, $700,000 proved untraceable since those bets were made live made through other platforms: On payoffs of less than 300-1, live transactions do not leave a paper trail. In addition to the $700,000 there is the matter of $7.9 million legally wagered at other venues. Those bettors were shorted as well.
The latter is very complex, tied to various simulcast rate fees and different takeout rates in other states. NYRA must get cooperation from those partners to recover money that, in effect, is owed them, but lacks the power to demand that audits be done.
Resultantly, if bettors who were cheated out of winnings cannot prove they placed and cashed wagers, they have no recourse. So what happens to the remaining $700,000? Here's one idea:
The only way to repay this debt in our view is to pour that money back into the betting pool. There are several ways to do this: The suggestion here is that the owed money be placed into one intra-race pool. NYRA can put the $700,000 into the straight pools of an over-filled race of quality runners, an allowance or stakes field. Straight pools have the lowest takeout and lower degree of difficulty.
Personally, I would prefer to see the money placed in a large, high-quality field offering superfecta wagering, the only intra-race pool in New York that offers fractional wagering: Players might be more comfortable in the familiar, less difficult trifecta, but NYRA does not yet offer a 50-Cent trifecta wagering as is done at popular winter betting venues such as Gulfstream Park and Tampa Bay Downs.
Why is it the NYRA always seems to be the last racetrack organization to respond to market conditions?
Certainly, NYRA is justified putting the $700,000 back into its own live pools so it can derive the greatest benefit, that’s not unfair. But it should also bend over backward to give more bettors a fair chance to share some of that money.
If NYRA were to think about putting $700,000 into a Pick Six pool, for example, thereby creating a huge, "free" carryover, they could turn it into a grand experiment: How about a one-day-only 10-Cent “Pick Six Rebate Special” with a mandatory Pick 5 consolation and one-time 15 percent takeout rate? Why not gives as many people as it can an opportunity to make a super-exotics score by giving them the leverage that a 10-Cent wager provides?
Surely NYRA can get State Racing and Wagering Board approval to conduct a one-day experiment while paying its debt to bettors. The results would prove interesting in the light it would shed on offering a fractional wager with a favorable takeout rate on a bet with a high degree of difficulty.
This, or any other specially created pool, should then be heavily promoted. This is a chance for NYRA to make lemonade out of this mess and do something for its loyal customers at the same time.
The “Pick 6 Rebate Special” could include stakes races that are part of the Wood Memorial undercard program. And it shouldn't be concerned if there are a few small fields. Rank and file bettors should be given a good chance to cash a big ticket. NYRA owes them, literally and figuratively.
Alas, here are two reasons why this probably will never happen? First, it wasn’t invented at NYRA. Second, the suits will figure that by promoting a special rebate wager the public would only be reminded they were cheated in the first place.
What does NYRA have to lose, its good will?



16 Feb 2012 at 08:48 am | #
You said I’d hate this article, but I don’t. However, it doesn’t mean that I agree with your logic in certain aspects.
First off, you say the players were cheated. To this I disagree. Being cheated involves deception of some kind. This did not happen. Takeout rates were clearly posted every day. Players still chose to bet their money. Winners were paid according to posted rates. Nobody was cheated. This is entirely different than saying that a very bad and foolish mistake was made. No one would argue that. But to say we were cheated is just plain wrong.
Second, I still find the concept that NYRA and ADWs that took their signal benefitted from this mistake laughable. If we are to believe higher takeout results in lower profit, then it should be clear that they as well lost on this error. To say they made money on this is completely counter to the whole lower takeout argument.
Third, I find the means of your rebate scheme really unproductive. A pick 6 or a superfecta is not the kind of bet the vast majority of players should ever put their money on. All that money would end up going back, for the most part, to a very few big players. If you want everybody to have a chance at making their money “back”, then propose something much more player friendly. One Sunday, not a big day like you suggest, but a regular one, have a 0 takeout day. All races, all bets. Given the volume of betting on NY races when the weather warms, this should more than make up for this “shortfall”. Just call it a “Players Day” and leave it at that. Then we could really see how much takeout actually means to people. It would be an interesting experiment.
16 Feb 2012 at 09:23 am | #
“Cheated” might be too strong; throw me another adjective. But the “posted rates” reasoning is bogus. It’s spin and bad spin at that. No one reads the fine print. I am supposed to read the rates every day to see whether they changed? NYRA blew it, so did the Franchise Oversight Board.
NYRA vis a vis ADWs, vis a vis Takeout, is also bogus. The simulcasters were allowed to keep the extra 1%. If NYRA must rebate customers, they are entitled to a rebate from their partners which improperly benefitted from the error.
Third, you conveniently ignored my first suggestion the money be put into the straight pools; lower degree of difficulty, lower takeout.
When introducing a “10-Cent Special Rebate Pick 6,” I prefaced it with the word “personally.” I also suggested a 15% takeout rate. The 10-Cent bet let’s everybody in. The big guys have a bankroll advantage? Well, they have one every day. Out-handicap them, I say.
ZERO takeout day? I love it, Al. That probably has as much a chance of flying as my suggestion. And doing this on a slow day rewards NYRA for making a mistake.
There is more interest on big days. Think of the customer/fan first--just for a change!
16 Feb 2012 at 09:32 am | #
According to my calculations,NYRA owes me about $699,000.00....let the suits have the rest.....you know they will end up with it.......
16 Feb 2012 at 10:19 am | #
Al-I am not sure cheating requires intent. If you break a rule, you have cheated. The old saying, ignorance is no excuse applies. NYRA broke (what I believe is legislated in NY) the take out rule.
In Canada the CPMA (pari-mutuel regulator) has to this point taken the position that Canadian Associations/ADWs are under no obligation to return any of the overcharged revenue to Horseplayers. They note that their ‘review of take-out rates showed all approved rates were being deducted for bets made in Canada’.
I find it odd that what is considered an error in New York ends up to be a benefit to Canadian Associations. It would appear that in this case, Host Rules DON’T apply!
In a perfect world the money should be returned directly to Horseplayers. They have already earned it by virtue of it not being paid out on winning tickets. So have an on track promotion(s) and give out mystery vouchers, from say $50 to $5,000. With the amount of unclaimed $, you may see the stands full with such a promotion.
16 Feb 2012 at 10:53 am | #
These kinds of mistakes in a banking-type environment is intolerable, and only serves to personify the ineptitude and/or dishonesty of the management of the NYRA. Personally, I could care less which it is. As I said, the fact that it happened is intolerable. My goodness, they refuse to implement the Trakus system, and refuse to even hire someone capable of putting up the correct numbers during the running of the race. They’ve got some real class people there, but they don’t have any power to make change. Eric Donovan and John Imbriale, to name a few. Play the game.
TTT
16 Feb 2012 at 11:46 am | #
Mr. Pricci, I disagree about calling posted rates “spin”. Any player putting his or her money down without knowing the rules is a fool and anyone complaining about not knowing easily availble rules when somehting goes “wrong” is showing how big a fool they are. the rules were posted in the exact same places they always have been. Fact. People still bet. Fact. If you want an adjective, to be rude, just say they F’ed up, because that is also a fact.
You still don’t seem to be following my argument about the so called extra profits, so I’m letting that go. If we have the chance to have a drink or two one of these days, I’ll try to explain but it just doesn’t seem to be coming through in what I write for some reason.
Guilty, I did miss the comment about the more basic bet pools. My eyes aren’t what they used to be I’m afraid.
But I do ask how making a special 0 take day is not pro-player? And why should it be on a day that is already special? On a day like that it is one of many things going on and who knows what the real impact is? Besides, the handle on those days is so large that it would be punitive. Take an average day and make it special. That seems alot more positive to me than simply seeding some pools on an already big day. You’re right, it probably has no chance of ever happening no more than your ideas do, but if we are going to throw around ideas, why not one that would also give some very interesting implications on customer behavior that rewards them as well?
16 Feb 2012 at 03:37 pm | #
Because a special day makes it MORE FUN and MORE SPECIAL. Where did I indicate 0 takeout is not pro-player. You win, Al: I’m throwing in the towel.
If we do meet for a drink, racing, a.k.a. NYRA talking points, is off the table.
Eric, mystery vouchers and excellent idea except for the track that 9 of every 10 dollars are wagered off track. Additionally, there should be some transparency attached to the repayment.
Thanks all!
16 Feb 2012 at 04:10 pm | #
Well Mr. Pricci, when you said
“Think of the customer/fan first--just for a change!”
I thought I was. If a 0 take day isn’t pro-player, I’m not really sure what is. I don’t think the State would ever approve of an “everybody wins” day.
Why would you want to not talk about such things? I’d like to hear where you are coming from and give you a chance to understand what I’m saying as well. Always figured talking about stuff was a good thing. We both might learn something. I don’t do talking points by the way. I hate that phrase as all it represents is is spin with no substance at all.
17 Feb 2012 at 07:58 am | #
Returning money to the players on a single day that was wrongfully taken away over an extended period would limit the number of people that would benefit.
A meet-long experiment with noticeably lower takeout for a popular wager would address more players, as well as provide an opportunity to see if it has a real impact on churn.
Zero takeout makes zero sense to me. Other than a gesture that might attract media attention, exactly what could it possibly prove or demonstrate about improving relations long-term between customers and management?
17 Feb 2012 at 05:02 pm | #
Simply put there is no fair way. Any such deal would appeal to me and get my involvement but that is unfair to the players as I refused to play any of NYRA 26% takeouts. I am afraid that a 0% takeout would scare the hell out of people when they saw how huge the takeout is.Stay well all.