SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY, May 20, 2010--Yesterday we posted a piece regarding the dire situation facing New York racing and its impact on the city of Saratoga. It focused on recent political developments regarding a bridge loan to keep a racing operation that produces significant annual revenue for the deficit-ridden state in business.
The column addressed other issues, too, such as what the Saratoga race meet means to an area that stretches more than 100 miles from the state capital of Albany to Schroon Lake, a popular vacation destination about a 70-minute drive up the Northway from the race course.
I thought the piece might engender empathy. After all, this region is no different than any other in America these days when it comes to fiscal issues, especially in light of the most recent unemployment figures indicating that the recovery from the Great Recession is nowhere near complete.
Instead of empathy, however, the immediate reaction to the realities of the situation was bitterness and a little gloating, reasoning that the area would be getting only what it deserves for gouging area visitors for all these years.
“The losers at NYRA want losers to bail them out... Saratoga businesses who have been gouging visitors for ages have it coming to them if people don’t show or go to Monmouth instead. $300 for piece of crap hotel rooms for the privilege of being in Saratoga and overpaying for food? Sca-roo you!”
“Sure, the businesses surrounding Saratoga racetrack benefit tremendously financially when racing moves upstate; however, the entrepreneurs have been gouging racetrack patrons for years along with NYRA itself; seems that both have killed the goose,” wrote another.
Excuse my provincialism but I just can’t let this stand. The following is a personal incident that I hope will put the comments above into some kind of context.
Two years ago, I went to South Florida for the Gulfstream meet. I rented a mid-size car for a period of eight or nine days, can‘t remember. What I do recall was that the bill was nearly $1,100.
“It’s spring break, sir,” the agent said, “demand is very high.” I called four different companies; the difference in savings was negligible.
This year I went to the Louisiana Derby, thinking that, among other factors, I could help the New Orleans economy in some small way. The hotel rates were higher than I expected but I finally was able to secure a horsemen’s rate through the Fair Grounds Race Course.
“It reflects the season,” I was told. “The rates will be cheaper next week,” which was of little help since the Louisiana Derby is run in late March, not April.
When it comes to Saratoga I admit to being defensive. Even though I’m still somewhat treated as an outlier by some locals, despite having moved here nine years ago, I resent the implication that this area dog-ears the pockets of visitors, grabs them by the ankles and begins shaking them up and down.
It is expensive to visit during the race meet? Of course. But my question is compared to what. Florida and Louisiana in season? The Hamptons in August? Nantucket in July? Saratoga merchants are altruists compared to tariffs charged in other popular tourist destinations.
Racetrack prices? Well, they don’t charge $25 or more to park the way some sports venues in New York do. They don’t charge hundreds a seat for a day at the races, the way they do for a baseball game at Citi Field and Yankee Stadium where a beer costs 10 bucks. And I won’t even discuss Personal Seating Licenses.
Yes, you could dine at Siro’s, or the Lodge, for a C-note per person--with a moderately priced wine, that is. But you can still order an entrée for two at Augie’s in Ballston Spa for $25 and have enough left over for the next night.
It’s still possible to get a turkey dinner at Winslow’s for under $10 and if you want to drive 30 minutes, you can still find reasonably priced rooms.
There’s always going to be a premium paid for seasonality and exclusivity. Saratoga doesn’t corner the market on that kind of excess. It’s the law of supply and demand, American style.
Now if you want to say that it costs too much money to attend a boutique race meet while the biggest hotels and casinos practically pay their clientele to gamble, that’s a discussion for another day.
But when it comes to providing an environment for world class racing--and Saratoga’s arguably is still the best on the planet over a sustained period--why should local merchants be different from service providers anywhere else?
20 May 2010 at 08:47 pm | #
Have been watching as racing history continues to be made and its future continues to shrink.
I understand your emotional argument for a place you hold dear. Understand it but not completely in agreement. It is only one small example of the tremendous greed demostrated by humans every day all over the globe.
Personal greed. Give me mine and to hell with everyone else. That is racing’s mantra. A mantra shared by most of the world.
The world’s oceans are being emptied without real regard for the future. And poisoned by others for things like oil without regard for the creatures living in them. Obama is seeking 3.5 billion dollars for world hunger while he and the rest of Wall Street’s government ignore the millions who are homeless, hungry or being quickly forced into homelessness right here in the good ole USA. The rich are not complaining.
Race tracks continue to gouge those who support the sport as does the areas surrounding these tracks during major meets. It is a fact. Greed the motivator.
Last week a school advertised 7 teaching positions. 3,000 applicants responded from all over the USA. I think Obama and Wall Street should start a tax supported multi-billion dollar fund for education across the big pond, don’t you?
Let us all raise our glasses in a toast to greed every where. After all, it can always be justified if you are one of the lucky ones who can afford it or, even luckier still, profit from it…
20 May 2010 at 09:14 pm | #
Note: Ohio announced what they call progress on their move to add casinos here. Two of the finalized rules are NO free drinks and slots will return 85% to players. There is that greed factor, again! Their motto is rape it and kill it as quickly as possible rather than woo it, love it often and live long and prosper together. The fiscal health of these casinos, just like racing, will end in dust and confusion.
21 May 2010 at 01:29 am | #
If the racing industry can be seen as a microcosm of the rest of our country, then the venal attitudes expressed by some of your readers is part and parcel of a regrettable trend in our culture. Assuming the worst--whether it in the roads, in schools, or at work, has become the rule of the land. I see it every day here in Baltimore. I have made the trek to Saratoga every summer for the past several years (one summer I went up for the whole meet and worked at the track just to get the flavor of the experience!), and while I find that prices are high, they did not strike me as out of line--if we apply supply and demand curves to all other economic endeavors, why not high season at the Spaaaa? It is also important to note, at least in my experience, the the people with whom I have interacted there have been friendly, respectful, and have generally been efficient business people.
The boorish attitudes of some of your bloggers are OK with me as it only me feel better about myself:)
eric s.
21 May 2010 at 01:59 am | #
Wow, Dennis from Ohio sounds like he lost his $2.00 show bet, so now he is mad at the tracks.
Horse racing is like tv---you don’t like it---turn it off----you have a problem with people making money ??? Oh I see, you have a real job...now you are mad because you were not smart enough to start your own company.Or to damn lazy....you want to talk politics,talk to your friends, not here…
just what we need another bleeding heart.....
21 May 2010 at 03:10 am | #
Quite honestly, when I have gone to Saratoga, it has been for the harness races but I also would go one day to the runners. Prices in Saratoga are very very expensive in August. What did I do? I didn’t complain. I stayed in Glens Falls and drove the 20-30 minutes. And you know what? It wasn’t so bad; it gave me the opportunity to see other nice parts of the capital region such as Lake George and take in a little history at the national park.
I have no problem that they gouge you in Saratoga. Let the big shots pay those prices. I stayed a little out of town and helped support the little guys elsewhere.
21 May 2010 at 03:19 am | #
Dennis in Ohio’s back?? HA! How the fish sandwiches Dennis??
21 May 2010 at 03:45 am | #
health insurance
21 May 2010 at 03:49 am | #
I have been going to Saratoga/Lake George area for > 25 years...and I’ve owned horses, raced there and won @ Saratoga (by the way, whoever said winning one race at Saratoga was more thrilling than winning 5 races at Belmont was correct [execpt for the purse $$$]).
I agree with both Mr. Pricci and the above poster Allen...It is the peak tourist season...If you stay in Lake George (25 minutes north of Saratoga) in April, May, October or November the hotel/motel rates are 75% cheaper than July-August. It is NO different than what happens on Cape Cod, the Hamptons, etc. I agree that the hotel rates in Saratoga in August (now the last week in Jult thru Labor Day!) are exceedingly high ($330 a night in the Holiday Inn… keep in mind that the Holiday Inn @ Lake George charges $270)...BUT you can easily find a better quality hotel/motel within a 20 minute ride from either the Lake or Saratoga for 1/3 to 1/2 price.
I agree that these prices in town (including the Rest.)are crazy. BUT, one can find reasonable ‘deals’ if you try...EXECPT ON TRAVERS WEEKEND!!
John
21 May 2010 at 03:58 am | #
John, I agree 100% with your thoughts. If you don’t like the prices @ Saratoga , don’t come. It is no different than any other tourist area in the country.The whole NYRA thing is the disgrace. Can anybody agree on anything up there?
21 May 2010 at 04:07 am | #
Woodbine, thanks to the adjacent casino, has free parking and admit. The track is deserted; the casino lined up until past midnight. Begs the question as to why the bandits don’t have a mini toteboard display and wager option; even for 1c? Louisville on Derby weekend is the ultimate haircut. Reservations require a three night minimum stay for boxcar prices on an average room. Saratoga is not NYRA’s or racing’s problem, as the crowds attest. Keeneland deserves mention as a reasonable boutique meet.
21 May 2010 at 04:17 am | #
I went to Saratoga for Travers week last year and had an absolutely wonderful time. Wonderful. Great racing at a fabled track in a perfect location. And
it wasn’t any more expensive than any other vacation town Anywhere, USA, and cheaper than many. Look at Nantucket mid-summer or New Orleans during Mardi Gras. Saratoga should make as much money as the traffic will bear and more power to them.
21 May 2010 at 04:59 am | #
Hey here, everyone,
Wow, you never know what issues will get people to respond. Happy to strike a chord, one way or the other. But I think we should all cut Dennis a little slack.
As my wife and I watched the video of the natural ecological disaster in the Gulf last night, Toni lamented about the damage this will do to the planet, about whether it will have an effect on rainfall since oil isn’t absorbed like water and when if ever it might be safe to eat fish again.
I thought about how a multi-billion dollar company saved a couple of million dollars but not plugging the hole with mud. I also thought about how a country that lacks the expertise to clean up ecological disasters like this one could allow an industry to police itself and how the progressive change agent I voted for lst November can stand virtually mute on all this.
I suppose as long as it takes hundreds of millions to get elected to do a job that doesn’t pay a hell of a lot, there will be interests not vested in the public welfare. Dennis is correct. Greed is responsible for most that’s wrong in this culture, and no political party has an exclusive on any of it.
Russ is right, too. Let’s stick to racing. Thank you all; most entertaining, per usual!
JP
21 May 2010 at 05:10 am | #
Mr. Pricci,
There are different monetary levels one can choose when wishing to attend the races at Saratoga. Over the years I have gone from the cheapest, to the more expensive, and I guess every level in between. The experience depends on your expectations, and outlook. Know how you are traveling, at what dollar level, and you will enjoy yourself. (Some of my best times experienced were when I went economy).
One suggestion to those who are going with horse racing and/or gambling being the prime motivation, and you wish to stay overnight, a few days or longer. The hotels, motels, in the Albany Airport Area are located within a very reasonable distance. You get a bang for your buck, normally the legislature is not in session and the rates are very reasonable. (They tend to be higher when the city is filled with the politicians and entourages). The discounts regularly offered, ie (Union, AARP, frequent guest, etc) are available and well worth checking into. This does work very well if the group, (if you travel in a group) is adult and/or if you are single/couple.
Just a suggestion, it has worked very well for myself over the past few seasons. Hope I am not letting a cat out of the bag so to speak, but I have never staid a a hotel/motel in Albany Airport area during the Saratoga Meet that was filled to capacity.
21 May 2010 at 05:22 am | #
JRP - I work in the oil spill response business. The industry isn’t allowed to police itself. Quite the opposite. Whatever the government is saying (and not saying) about this disaster, the government has - and had - regulatory oversight responsibility and didn’t do its job. If the regulatory framework had been properly followed, Deepwater Horizon wouldn’t have been operating at all and none of this would have happened.
Likewise, government has ultimate responsibility for the clean-up effort. The response effort is run by a “Unified Command” with - guess who? - the government holding top authority.
21 May 2010 at 05:23 am | #
I don’t understand the blowback on Saratoga’s pricing in August. How are they ANY different thant the financial rape that Louisville puts you through during Derby week? Or the hostage taking Pasadena and Arcadia employs on hotels during the Santa Anita Derby or Breeders Cup?
And I hail from near Pittsburgh - and just try to get a Steeler or Penguins ticket for less than a quadruple mark up from an “average” team - and there are literally thousands of fans WAITING IN LINE to try to get them - if they even can!
I’m never thrilled to be “gouged” during a season or sporting event by the local establishments - but this is common practice across the board. No one can smack Saratoga unless they scream bloody murder about Louisville, Florida’s Beaches, New Orleans in Mardi Gras season or any Super Bowl or Olympic venue.
As the capitalists love to say: Hey - it’s just business!
PS: I LOVE the Spa, BTW - pricing or no - it’s Heaven in August!
21 May 2010 at 05:35 am | #
Noelle, will defer to your expertise in this area.
But isn’t it undeniable that they drilled this well on the cheap? There is no excuse for that, given the tremendous potential downside.
Some executive made a decision not to use mud as a cost saving measure. How this doesn’t qualify as criminal negligence is beyond my understanding.
Thanks, JP
21 May 2010 at 06:01 am | #
John,
You just described Capitalism. Capitalism is great, our country was built upon it. But it also brings us $300 hotel rooms in season, and $5 popcorn when you’re at the movies.
Everyone of us would charge $300 if it was our hotel…
21 May 2010 at 06:26 am | #
Shhhhhhhh! No telling about Winslows! Too many people already know. Mmm, Thanksgiving in August.
21 May 2010 at 06:34 am | #
I love Saratoga in August, and save for the experience. If it were cheap--it would be like Mountaineer racing…
21 May 2010 at 06:42 am | #
Alysse, I already received a personal e mail telling me a true local would never divulge the name of Winslow’s. Mea culpa, Saratogians!
JP
21 May 2010 at 06:43 am | #
Maybe its living in Chicago today (although I was born and raised in Upstate NY) but I don’t see where the assorted costs connected to Saratoga are exorbitant.
As others have said much of the pricing is, as it would be in any tourist destination: you pay for convenience. Want to park a block from the track in someone’s backyard? It will cost you. Or you could park for free in NYRA’s lot.
Want a drink at Siro’s? The prices are the stuff of legend and I hope you won day’s feature race as it will cost you. Otherwise plenty of watering hole venues for less further away. (Siro’s sadly is no Gibson’s in Chicago .. its more myth in its charm then reality)
What is noticeably expensive are the flights into Albany but frankly that is year-round gouging. I can fly from Chicago to San Diego for significantly less than Chicago-Albany. American Airlines (and American Eagle) dropped their Albany routes and Southwest never delivered discount rates compared to others.
Renting a car? Only at Albany have I ever found that my corporation’s pre-negotiated rate with National is invalid and a “high season” rate is applicable during Spa racing.
Neither of those examples have anything directly to do with Saratoga and are out of the hands of the community leaders.
My wife and I go to enough different race tracks per year that we’re find with just doing general admission and having a fun date. I’ve done the buying off ebay on short notice seat tickets to the Travers and paid through the nose. That was my choice and as someone remarked that was capitalism.
21 May 2010 at 07:03 am | #
FYI people: Mountaineer or Evangeline has better racing than Saratoga. You’ve been drugged for so long, you don’t realize it. The racing at Saratoga is sooooooooooooooooooo overrated. Unless you love 4-horse fields taken off the grass run in mud, and betting on 2-yos with no form. If those are the suckers who will continue to fund Saratoga, then good luck to you, you’ll need it, and you’ll wake up someday.
Interesting to hear people say that to go to Saratoga, you should stay in Lake George or Albany. That pretty much says it all right there.
21 May 2010 at 07:31 am | #
@ #22: Ergle I needed that laugh. Saratoga is so much more about being there then just actual racing. Again the point of the article is experience of being there. I’m sure Opelousas, LA is nice but can you walk to the Racing Hall of Fame across the street, go to parks, enjoy a thriving nightlife, etc.
If we’re speaking strictly of racing to bet on then why not just sit at home with an Xpress Bet and TVG account and pick and chose your track and field sizes.
Don’t confuse the anemic winter racing at Aqueduct with racing at Saratoga. Suggesting the race quality at Evangeline or Mountaineer is better just ruined whatever point you were trying to make.
21 May 2010 at 07:34 am | #
Charlene - Saratoga Clubhouse and Grandstand seats are re-sold at face value at the East Gate.
21 May 2010 at 08:44 am | #
YourHost:
You are RIGHT! So right there is a deal you can’t get most places (certainly not Churchill during Derby!)
I bought a seat from the East Gate two years ago - great seating - great price - great deal.
I don’t understand the pricing hubbub.
See you in August, hopefully!
21 May 2010 at 09:32 am | #
John:
A defense of Saratoga was not needed. It is the greatest place on Earth and if you don’t want to pay the freight, DON’T GO!
Anyway, on my first trip to the Spa for the ‘78 Travers_Cordero pulled a fst one on Pincay- i paid only $12/night at the old Swiss-American motel just off Exit 17N( it was a n extra buck for air conditioning-LOL). If you factor in 30+ years of inflation, with just a little effort, you can find great deals throughout Saratoga and Warren counties.
21 May 2010 at 09:52 am | #
The beauty of Saratoga is you do it cheap, or do it grand, and still have fun either way.
Think the concessions are out of line? Stop at Saratoga Apple in Schuylerville and get a bag of fresh cider donuts and just picked apples and throw a couple apples in your pocket.
It’s tough to pass up the Nathan’s stand, but I’ve done an afternoon on the apron with a couple PowerBars and a water bottle. More money for the windows.
At the same time, my wife insists upon dining on the Porch when we go together. The $25 per person minimum is not out of line, you avoid sunstroke on a hot day, and you’re closer to the paddock. It’s the most civilized way to see the races without going upstairs and really spending money.
I think anybody who goes to Saratoga a lot knows how have a good time without spending a lot of money. After all, how many other professional sports venues these days let you take in a cooler?
I will agree with all the other writers about price gouging during the meet. Heck, we do it in Vermont during fall foliage season. All this means is a visitor has to be more resourceful to find the bargains.
Here’s hoping there will be races to go to this summer…
21 May 2010 at 10:56 am | #
Ah, Free Market Capitalism....America’s scriptures.
Rip-off your customers until you bankrupt them or drive them off, then whine your gravy train is dying and blame the government. Capitalism, which runs on greed, did not build this country but will destroy it.
21 May 2010 at 11:39 am | #
After some 40 years of visiting Saratoga in August (now July to Sept), I’ve learned one thing, you can do it anyway you want, and/or can afford, and still enjoy great racing (come on, Ergle, Mountaineer? you must be joking) in a beautiful city where visiters are welcomed and appreciated.
It’s been said before and it’s still true: A bad day in Saratoga is better than a good day anywhere else!
Keep it comin’ JRP - see you at the Spa!
21 May 2010 at 12:41 pm | #
Ergle: I agree with you. Turf writers, over the years, have created their own little niche where they have chosen to concentrate on a few racetracks, trainers, owners, and jockeys; in so doing, they have convinced the majority of people interested in racing that only these few racetracks are worthy of their attention; that racing is superior at these racetracks - totally ridiculous!
Back about twenty or so years ago when Harvey Pack entertained us with his television show, I taped numerous races at various racetracks; then I placed twelve races on a tape and have, over the years, played this tape to many friends who are interested in racing. I asked them to select the stake races, allowance races, and claiming races on the tape. No one, to this day, has even come close to getting it right. The reason being that there is no difference, as all races look the same to the human eye, and a timer is needed to determine what race went faster.
Horses are horses, and a race is a race, merely horses running around a racetrack. A horse race provides the opportunity to gamble, no different than a pair of dice on a crap table, or cards at a blackjack table.
Turf writers have created an illusion that is false, but such illusion justifies their position as a turf authority.
It is unfortunate that turf writers do not promote racing at these so-called inferior racetracks, as today most of these racetracks are modern, clean, with excellent dining offered;
their disregard for the smaller racetrack is a shame, and very detrimental to the growth of racing.
21 May 2010 at 12:55 pm | #
Hey this is America, I do not like the prices but in all honesty I would probably do the same if I owned the establishments. Over time one learns where to go for good value, only took me 25 years.
21 May 2010 at 01:41 pm | #
Wendell, There you go again!!!
“Back about twenty or so years ago when Harvey Pack entertained us with his television show, I taped numerous races at various racetracks; played this tape to many friends who are interested in racing. I asked them to select the stake races, allowance races, and claiming races on the tape.”
20 years ago what tracks were you taping claiming and allowance races from?
21 May 2010 at 05:08 pm | #
wabstat and wmcorrow, you are geniuses. “Turf” writers...ha! Teats on a bull. wmcorrow, whaddya think of NYRA charging a zillion bucks on Belmont Stakes Day for the privilege of parking, admission and seats for another day of “horses running around the track.” Talk about an illusion created!
You got it wabstat—New York breeders whining about no VLTs at Aqueduct. “Waaaaaa! We and the crooked horsemen produce a garbage product and you should bail us out with a game that is more rigged than horse racing, so more people can be cheated and we can prosper by bleeding all the people who can’t afford to be ripped off at Saratoga!” They got some balls.
22 May 2010 at 12:46 am | #
who cares about the price. it is going to be closed this year anyway and I for one am glad. I would actually prefer the town quiet in august. i never go to the races and all the people make it an annoyance around here.
22 May 2010 at 05:09 am | #
Well, pleas in the headlines go unheeded. What a surprise.
Tess, no racing, no tourists? Fine. Just don’t get the tea bags out when when taxes, already high in town, double.
Thanks for taking the time..
JP
22 May 2010 at 02:53 pm | #
Stupid! The Spa is a value; big time. Can you drive 30 minutes? You can find anything you want at a great price. Go to DelMar if you want to see your money run away. The Spa is a bargain.
Pjleft
23 May 2010 at 03:03 am | #
Today’s $50,000 maiden-claimer or Maiden Special Weight at Saratoga is a $5,000 claimer at Finger Lakes or Mountaineer in two or three years. The elitists out there who claim “better racing quality” at Saratoga are confusing it with better horse quality.