SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY, March 9, 2009--If New York racing knows what’s good for it, and if the racing industry in general wants to grow instead of subsisting, withering and, eventually, disappearing, it had better wish Monmouth Park and New Jersey racing all the luck in the world.
Virtually since the day after hosting the Breeders’ Cup, Monmouth Park and its horsemen began thinking about a new model that would ensure its existence going forward. Like every other racetrack in this country, big and small, it’s in survival mode.
But that’s what happens when you fall out of favor, are no longer a part of the fabric, and betting revenue drops nearly 25 percent in the last two years. To be provincial about Monmouth’s grand experiment this summer would miss the point at best, myopic at worst.
This is bigger than whether Monmouth can effectively compete in a racing environment in which it finds itself surrounded on all sides by slots-infused competition. It is bigger than seeing how negatively Monmouth Park’s incursion into the high end of the “good horse circuit” negatively impacts Saratoga Race Course this summer.
And so all with a vested interest in this industry needs to root for New Jersey to succeed in 2010. If it doesn’t, there won’t be a 2011 in the Garden State. If it doesn’t, then the rest of racing has no future, either. Monmouth Park has created a new paradigm, a model that finally--finally--addresses the state of the modern game.
As Monmouth Park vice president and general manager, Bob Kulina, and trainer John Forbes, president of the New Jersey Horsemen’s Association, expressed so clearly on an NTRA conference call Tuesday afternoon, the public has spoken: “Racing has got to change.”
“We’ve gone from a local sport to a national sport with simulcasting,” explained Forbes. “Fans want larger fields and better horses. We decided to concentrate on the big picture rather than worry about the provincial aspect, focus on what the customer wants.
“After the 2007 Breeders’ Cup, we knew we needed a future to survive,” Kulina added. “Our customers want a better product and we’re going to give the players what they want. We’re in the entertainment business. We had to try to provide [a picture] of what racing in this country should look like.”
To accomplish the goal, Monmouth Park, with the help of its horsemen, have come up with an audacious model, a 49-day summer meet that will be held on Friday, Saturday and Sundays only, including three additional holiday Mondays.
A Monmouth racing weekend basically will package 12-race programs with an average daily purse distribution of $1-million, or about $250,000 more than Saratoga-based horsemen raced for last year.
Special-weight maidens at Monmouth Park this year will race for a purse of $75,000; a three-other-than allowances will go for $90,000; an overnight stakes, $100,000. There will be an average 2.5 Jersey-bred races per program. Their state-bred maidens will race for a $75,000 pot. Any Jersey-bred that finishes 1-2-3 in an open race earns a 20 percent bonus from the New Jersey breeding fund.
In the modern era, thoroughbred racing in New Jersey has embraced innovation. Because of its proximity to New York, it had to. The graphics packages on the nightly “Racing From the Meadowlands” cable program were always a step ahead of the competition. I was there. I know.
The bundling of thoroughbred stakes on a single card also broke new ground. It led to the special-event days that are so prevalent nationally today. They were the first track I know of to refer to their customers as “guests,” and treated them accordingly. They served gourmet fare in their tony Equestris restaurant, also a racetrack first.
Now thoroughbred racing at the Meadowlands will be no more, shifting to Monmouth Park for 22 days after Labor Day. They will race Saturdays and Sunday only, for purses reverting to a more New Jersey-like $250,000 daily. Standardbred racing will fill the gap in the Meadowlands schedule by adding three-day-weekend harness programs.
For Monmouth Park and the New Jersey thoroughbred industry, this enormous gamble could be a last hurrah. Kulina and attorney Dennis Drazin, a horse owner and former president of the NJHA, knew they had to come up with a product that the public wanted, one that bettors would embrace. They’re betting that quality racing will do that.
“This is a one-year plan,” Kulina said. “With proper funding to attract better horses and with the proper number of [racing] days, we could then go out and secure more funding. But we need to prove that it will work. We made some soft projections and are taking a gamble we can double our handle.”
Obviously, if you put up that kind of purse money, they will come, from all over the Mid-Atlantic and New York, especially New York. Kulina mentioned that in recent years Todd Pletcher, Kiaran McLaughlin and Bruce Levine have had sizable divisions at Monmouth Park.
Linda Rice, Saratoga’s leading trainer in 2009, also has enjoyed successful Monmouth meets in the past. It’s easy to understand why local horsemen, and the NYRA, are anxious.
“Of course, we’re very concerned about smaller horsemen, but our sense is that we have to look toward the future,” said Kulina. “We’re in the middle of five states with slots revenues. Small horsemen don’t have the kind of horses that America wants to bet on. [If they can’t compete] they will have to go by the wayside.”
Before anyone thinks that’s cruel and unusual, the alternative is worse. “When Dennis and I had to come up with a plan, we thought about the glory days of the 50s, 60s and 70s and how racing was back then, a series of 30-day and 40-day race meets. Horsemen were moving all the time.
“Obviously you can’t do that today. But if you reduce the number of opportunities for live racing you can put out a better product, and that helps everyone. We learned at the Meadowlands that when fans showed up at for daytime simulcasting from Saratoga and Keeneland, it hurt our live racing at night… And simulcasting at the Meadowlands was very successful.”
What Monmouth management and its horsemen have created is a formula for success but the consumer, in Kulina’s words, “needs to embrace this.” And so this is much bigger than a provincial issue between New Jersey and New York, between Monmouth Park and Saratoga Race Course.
One proven way to boost handle and generate interest in Monmouth’s past performances would be if, during this experimental period, the track received permission from the state to lower parimutuel takeout, at least in a few featured betting pools. Lowering the rake is also what the customer wants.
And what will it all mean when Saratoga opens its extended 40-day race meet, July 21? “We think that Saratoga is still the best summer meeting on the East Coast,” said Monmouth Park’s general manager. “I know there’s a place for both of us to survive.”





09 Mar 2010 at 04:15 pm | #
I applaud the effort, because the daily fare at Monmouth the past few years wasn’t worthy of wagering on, but believe this “experiment” will take more than a year to be judged a success or failure. If Monmouth is counting on an immediate spike in handle, they’re likely to be disappointed. Horseplayers are creatures of habit and it will take awhile before they get I’m the habit of playing the races at the track by the Jersey shore. That’s assuming they do at all. Philly and Delaware both raised purses significantly but handle hasn’t risen much at all. It will be interesting to see how much the NY product is diluted, something that circut can ill afford.
09 Mar 2010 at 04:58 pm | #
Good luck Monmouth and NJ. NY is a very easy target right now. There is only one place in the USA that has more crooks per square foot than NY and that is Washington, DC. Crooks, by their very nature, do not share or play well with others. Selfishness and greed are their mantras.
The odds are less than even money that NY racing ever recovers. All the crooks are broke. All of the honest participants have moved or are packing to move. NYRA goes belly up along with the OTB. OTB owes too many as does NYRA. What the hell can the NY government do but watch. The only money machine is in Washington and no one from NY gets invited to that dance.
NY racing has been reduced to 4, 5 and 6 horse fields of low class and perpetual maiden horses. As previously stated, honest classy operations are closing and leaving town so fast that they are catching rides with each other.
The entire racing scenario in the USA continues to unfold as if I had written the script. When the dead flesh is finally removed from this industry, I just might start handicapping again. The few survivors will have full fields and a new attitude towards bettors. Instant updates, fair, lowered take percentages and an end to the thievery known as breakage. Wagering exchanges legalized and supported.
God, it feels good to window shop and dream. Or maybe they will all just die.
LOL…
09 Mar 2010 at 06:06 pm | #
Dennis from Ohio - why don’t you do us a favor and kill yourself already?
09 Mar 2010 at 10:44 pm | #
The new model Monmouth Park is going to implement will achieve three things: a) it will provide another venue for Pletcher, Asmussen, McLaughlin, and a handful of other trainers (the ‘big eight) to further increase their dominance of winning the most purse money, b) it will certainly hurt financially numerous trainers who do not have the backing of wealthy horse owners, and c) it will not be a profitable meet for Monmouth, as handle and signal fees will not cover the purses and operation expenses and costs.
Bob Kulina and many prominent turf writers ignore reality and are trying to recreate the racing environment that existed thirty plus years ago.
Mr.Kulina’s thesis is that bettors (not fans, please) want better horses and that by increasing purses better horses will race; in his mind, it seems, racing is in the doledrums not because of increased competition for the gambling dollar from casinos and sports wagering, but because “our fans want a better product”; that racing finds itself in the mess that it is in because of to much racing around the country involving to many ‘cheap’ horses.
Really?
Racing’s revenue has dropped 25% in the past two years - a fact! Why? The usual suspects are not the cause: weather and economy. Isn’t the cause the fact that people simply prefer to gamble elsewhere? So how to hell is increasing purses, shortening the meet, and offering so-called better horses going to be of interest to people? Particularly when there isn’t a damn person on this planet than can note what a better horse is or any difference between a claiming race and a stake race; is one easier to handicap? do stake races provide the opportunity to cash more tickets?
Play it again Sam: Thoroughbred racing is a gambling entity. The only opportunity for racing to stay in business is for all racetracks to join together in a national marketing program that promotes racing’s numerous gambling options.
For the umpteenth time, people go to a racetrack to have fun, enjoy the atmosphere, and to gamble!
While the hardcore gamblers work their ADW account, or local OTB or racino wagering window, searching for winners via simulcasting.
Mr. Kulina: please tell me and others precisely the difference between a claiming race and a stake race. Do the horses look any different? can you tell if the race is a claiming race or a stake race as it is being run? can you determine which race went faster, without looking at the timer? There is one difference: the purses for the claiming races are much smaller, thus such races are very profitable. How many stake races are profitable, meaning that the takeout and signal fees cover the purse?
Bob Kulina has it all wrong; the key is marketing. Come September, the NJSEA will once again be drowning in red ink for failure to promote racing as a gambling option to casino and sports wagering; the ‘big eight’ trainers, supported by turf writers’ commentary, will laugh all the way to the bank; and, the Janes and Joes on main street will head for the casino, totally unaware of the gambling options available at the racetrack, OTB, or racino.
09 Mar 2010 at 11:24 pm | #
Wendell, bless your heart for weighing in with the wrong take, as usual.
You question Kulina’s thesis that bettors want a better product?
Then why are America’s most successful race meets in terms of betting handle and attendence the ones with the best horses and best races—Saratoga, Keeneland, and Del Mar?
Why are the least successful meets like Aqueduct winter racing, the cheapest horses and lowest purses?
What say you, Wendell?
10 Mar 2010 at 03:02 am | #
I guess this means that on those weekdays in June and July some other track will have the highest on-track attendance in the US.
10 Mar 2010 at 03:05 am | #
Mr.Kling: The answer to your question is as follows: Turf writers, like yourself, for decades have erroneously convinced the public that Saratoga, Keeneland, and Del Mar offer the best racing; that racing at Buelah, Finger Lakes, Philadelphia, et cetera, is pure garbage. You turf writers have written volumes on certain thoroughbreds, lifted their trainers to icon status, and made certain owners virtual Gods.
The truth, and I know the truth hurts, is that racing at the so-called inferior racetracks is no different than at Saratoga; the horses look the same, the races are identical in excitement and wagering opportunities. Yet you turf writers continually knock these ‘claiming’ racetracks, thus directing the casual bettor and the novice away from them to a selected few racetracks.
I have asked, at this website, numerous times for someone to tell me just what is the difference between a claiming race and a stake race as observed by the human eye. I still await a reply.
If I remember correctly, you yourself said in a reply to a comment by me “that I was probably right” there is no difference.
Thoroughbred racing needs a marketing program promoting gambling not less races with higher purses that will drive many owners and trainers out of racing, and make the ‘big eight’ trainers of the blue blood horses even richer.
If turf writers urged the casual bettor and the novice to go to their nearby racetrack, as the racing there is basically the same, things would certainly improve.
Philadelphia Park, Delaware Park, Finger Lakes, and numerous other racetracks are modern and well maintained; but they are ignored by the public because all turf writers will write about are the blue blood horses trained by Pletcher, Asmussen, et cetera; yet many of the ‘big eight’ trainers have horses at these inferior racetracks; why is this?
BTY, racing at Aqueduct in the winter is a profitable venture for NYRA.
10 Mar 2010 at 03:10 am | #
Nick Kling sounding like Chris Matthews
10 Mar 2010 at 03:40 am | #
Nick Kling said:
“Then why are America’s most successful race meets in terms of betting handle and attendance the ones with the best horses and best races—Saratoga, Keeneland, and Del Mar?”
Well, I can’t speak for Saratoga or Keeneland because I don’t pay much attention to the quality of the meets, but let me say that the quality of the horses at Del Mar is absolutely terrible, as it is in all California racing.
The reasons those three meets are the highest handle tracks are their brief timeframes, the summer time vacation aspects for Del Mar and Saratoga, and the ambiance of all three. The quality of horses is certainly higher at Keeneland for many reasons, but the main one is the briefness of the meeting, 15 days.
I think the most likely scenario for surviving tracks will be very short, intense abbreviated meets, except for some of the slots fueled tracks in the Atlantic region, where really bad horses will run at bad tracks every day, just like they do now.
10 Mar 2010 at 03:53 am | #
I’ve got it now Wendell.
People who actually go to the track and bet at Saratoga, Keeneland, and Del Mar have it wrong, and YOU are the unrecognized expert who should be Czar of racing.
I’ll buy that when Rush Limbaugh and President Obama walk arm-in-arm in the rose garden.
And Wendell, it must have been someone else who said there was no difference. My dead grandmother could tell the difference between Rachel Alexandra, Zenyatta, and the dime claimers in Philly.
Ace: no argument that Del Mar isn’t what it used to be, nor is Saratoga. But both are still better than Wendell’s beloved Philly Park and Penn National.
10 Mar 2010 at 04:10 am | #
NK,
Despite the weather that severely inhibited attendance at Santa Anita this past Saturday, handle improved dramatically from off-track sources in response to the quality of the racing product. Clearly, such days are as much about the sport as they are about gambling.
The problem seems to be how to generate handle when racing is not as sporting or attractive, and the absence of the entertainment-oriented causes the professionals, the dedicated and the addicted to predominate in the pari-mutuel pools.
Thankfully, New Jersey is willing to try something different and I hope it works out for all our sakes. I think Saratoga will also benefit as long as NYRA takes the high road and does not try to influence where horses race beyond the merits of its condition book.
10 Mar 2010 at 04:27 am | #
Okay Mr. Kling, your up. Tell me in your own words what are the differences between Rachel, Zenyatta, and a claimer. Just how does a stake race and a claiming race differ? A horse is a horse, and all pretty much look the same. Entrants in both races come out of the gate and run around the track. You cannot determine how fast they are going with your own eyes. Either race could be exciting or a bore, with a runaway winner. Which race would be easier to handicap?
I know one thing, if I were the manager of a racetrack I would not have one race with a purse of $500,000 and another with a purse of $20,000, when the entrants all look the same and run the same to the human eye; if no one watching can note any difference, why the purse discrepancy?
10 Mar 2010 at 04:46 am | #
Two things Wendell,
After you have watched tens of thousands of races you can assess the pace. Having the teletimer fractions posted helps, but most good race watchers I know can approximate the pace, just as a good exercise rider knows how fast she or he is going, even when the fractional times aren’t posted or are bogus, as in turf races with temporary rails.
That makes evaluating a performance possible, IF you take the time to watch enough races to develop the skill. That allows you to develop a feeling for the class of the horse and its heart.
The other thing is this. While I don’t believe there is no difference between top class horses and claimers, that doesn’t prevent me from respecting low level claimers. In the 22 years I’ve watched races I can tell you with no reservation my favorite horses have been those claimers—horses in NY like Fabersham and Red Scamper.
However, although my favorite baseball players may not be the biggest stars, that doesn’t prevent me from understanding that other players are more talented. When I go to a baseball game it is to root for both, not just one or the other.
Finally, I’ll make one last attempt to get you off this notion all turf writers prefer stakes races and ignore the aspects of the game you enjoy. Go to http://www.troyrecord. com. On the home page is a search box which allows you to either search the web or search troyrecord.com. Select the troyrecord.com option and type in my last name and hit search. What you will get is several hundred columns written over the last decade. You will find a mix of straight handicapping, industry issues, and stakes race commentary. If anything, I write more about hard-core handicapping than anyone in the racing media. It’s there if you care to take the time to read and discover the facts.
If you don’t care to take the time, then it’s clear you aren’t interested in an unbiased evaluation.
10 Mar 2010 at 05:01 am | #
I applaud the Monmouth move. At least it’s some different thinking. I’ll grant you it’s still parochial but I don’t see any movement to a National view and no one who accepts the responsibility to do so. (C’mon don’t give me the NTRA - please). I can’t speak for the rest of the commentators, but I will bet more on Monmouth if the fields are fuller and the quality is better. I prefer Gulfstream, Saratoga, Belmont, Keeneland Churchill, etc to Fingerlakes, Phillie (highest takeouts in the country), etc. for the same reasons Mr. Kling identifies. (Del Mar not on my list due to synthetics). Shorter meets with full fields will generate revenue/handle - it’s been proven. Although not meeting the quality requirements, you want an example look at Tampa Bay Downs. Full fields - more handle. Probably one of success stories.
10 Mar 2010 at 05:08 am | #
John,
Thanks for a great article!!
Nick Kling--Comment#5--IMO-racing fans want a competitive product, large fields and an open betting board. Along with good races. In other words, we want it all!! If Monmouth offers “classy” races with a parade of 3/5 shots it won’t serve a purpose other than for a handful of horseman. I also agree with comment #1(Sarnataro) that it’ll take awhile for bettors to flock to the product and it probably takes more than one year to judge this initiative a success/failure.
wmcorrow--I considered what you wrote in comment #7 and cancelled my annual trip to Saratoga. Looking forward instead to a week in Cleveland and some exciting racing at Thistledown. Hope to see you there! lol
10 Mar 2010 at 05:18 am | #
Restaurant at The Meadowlands is Pegasus, not Equestris.
Equestris is at Aqueduct.
10 Mar 2010 at 05:38 am | #
I prefer 5-10 nw 2 or 3 races to just about anything as long as the field size is 8 or better.
Also, studies have found that if you double the purse, handle will go up 6%.
Bettors don’t care if owners make more money. And as for quality, it will still be spread out during the summer months over various regions.
It will just wind up being a Woodbine/slots scenario. Horses will wind up running for inflated purses. I doubt it will attract more handle.
I actually agree with Corrow. Horse racing needs to market itself as gambling.
And of course, it needs to have visible winners for successful marketing to occur.
This Monmouth project is just another way of rotating the assets of a shrinking pie. Growth will not come out of it.
Less races equals less owners and trainers and horses. And this inevitably means less growth, as one of the only ways to get growth these days is through small partnerships, and the friends and families of these partnerships that show up on race day hoping to get their picture taken.
10 Mar 2010 at 06:39 am | #
While success is far from certain, what this experiment does is give Monmouth something to market. The diffuse grind that is day to day racing at most venues is virtually unsellable. A concentrated, rarer, higher quality product can be sold. And it can get people to the track. It just becomes a matter of execution. I think they’d be wise to brand the various weekends around themes and the important stakes. And I’d like to see them partner with local hotels and restaurants. They could make good use their website on that front. If the quality is there as it should be, I for one will be considering a two or three day trip to Oceanport this summer.
10 Mar 2010 at 06:52 am | #
Kyle, I’m going to Thistledown to hang out with Corrow and Austin!!
10 Mar 2010 at 07:08 am | #
To each his own, Mike. I wish you lots of winners.
10 Mar 2010 at 07:25 am | #
I’ve got to agree with “wmcorrow.” And I’ve made similar points over the years. Almost no one can tell the difference between a Grade I race and a Claming race unless they are told there is a difference.
And reporters and race-track managements have been telling folks there is a difference ever since Secretariat, when they decided to promote The Big Horse instead of the race-track. Did anyone ever promote Buckpasser? Subway posters in Buckpasser’s day used to say something like “Big, Bold, Beautiful, Big-A” (Really! No kidding.) and the average weekday crowd was 25,000. (Saturdays, it was 50,000.)
Today’s advertising, and big day cards like Belmont Day, essentially tell the casual fan that they would be stupid to come out on a Thursday.
Saratoga, Keeneland, and I assume Del Mar primarily advertise their race meetings, not some specific big horse, race, or day. Of course it helps that these are nice places, but Aqueduct used to a nice place too.
10 Mar 2010 at 08:18 am | #
Monmouth Park is to be congratulated...Job well done...About time someone takes the bull by the horns and tries something new and different...This is one of the best ideas I’ve heard of yet...Good Luck to Monmouth and the industry…
10 Mar 2010 at 08:49 am | #
Thanks one and all for your time, creativity and passionate discourse. We’ll continue this dialogue in the Morning Line Blog subsequently.
One mea culpa, however. Betty, you’re absolutely right, it is Pegasus, not Equistris. Out of sight..
JRP
10 Mar 2010 at 08:52 am | #
Thank you, John, for another forward-thinking post. It is what it is for NY - a shout out for Albany to look in the windshield instead of the rear-view : ) mirror.
Time will tell. I guess the results of the NJ experiment are like racing - it’s such a sure thing they’ll even let you bet on it!
10 Mar 2010 at 09:12 am | #
It is refreshing to see a racing jurisdiction take a pro-active versus reactionary stance and try something materially different like New Jersey is doing and I think this particular approach is a step in the right direction. Now if they just decreased the takeout on their trifectas and superfectas then they would really have one hell of a product.
10 Mar 2010 at 09:25 am | #
Mr. Pricci wrote:
And so all with a vested interest in this industry needs to root for New Jersey to succeed in 2010. If it doesn’t, there won’t be a 2011 in the Garden State.
If it doesn’t, then the rest of racing has no future, either. Monmouth Park has created a new paradigm, a model that finally--finally--addresses the state of the modern game.
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We absolutely need to get the word about how important this “experiment” is to the horse racing industry. And once again Mr. Pricci nailed it about the need for lower takeouts.
Monmouth Park would cinch the deal if there was any form of “good P.R.” coming from a lowered takeout rate - especially in the trifecta pools.
But it looks like they’re going to put on a quality show nonetheless. Twelve races per racing day seems like overkill to me, so why not invest some of that toward rebuilding The Iselin Handicap to its former glory and a series of prep races for that objective?
National interest may wane after The Haskell Invitational, so strong supporting cast of stakes,
as well as good weather will be required through out the meet.
Good luck to all players and bring your bathing suits !
10 Mar 2010 at 09:52 am | #
I do hope Monmouth’s experiment succeeds. It sounds like they got a range of interested parties involved - didn’t just go behind closed doors and make decisions - and that they gave it a lot of thought. Both of those are positives for coming up with something that will work. And this sounds like it has a very good chance of accomplishing what they’re looking for.
Last weekend, there was a stakes race at Aqueduct that had 4 horses in it. That’s not good for anyone except the owners of those 4 horses. And Aqueduct has a lot of small field races, in fact probably most. Monmouth’s plan will be good for the customer because they will be open when the majority of customers are available (especially if they want to attract a younger audience), they’ll be offering incentives that will attract more and better horses than they have had in the recent past, which will in turn provide a better product to the customer. I do so hope it is a success and they do deserve credit for thinking outside the box.
10 Mar 2010 at 09:57 am | #
So lets do the math:
Saratoga (9 races per day and $750,000)
Monmouth (12 races per day and $1,000,000)
Where is the edge?
You’re like one of those morons at Sam Houston with their 12%-take pick-threes, thinking they’re affording someone an edge.
In terms of any “experimentation” here, this is about like those “experiments” offered at Ellis Park on their pick-fours a couple of years ago. Those with common sense saw right through them, and those like Pricci just plain can’t…
10 Mar 2010 at 11:01 am | #
Obvious,
The Ellis Park experiment did not fail. Handle in the P4 pool, admittedly small, more than doubled! On one Saturday, in fact, their Pick 4 handle finished third behind Saratoga and Del Mar. Handle in the straight pools on those races also went up, although not as dramatically.
It was terminated because the simulcast tracks wouldn’t take betting on the Ellis Pick 4, not even as a good will PR gesture, because they didn’t make any money after paying the signal fees. They’d just rather gouge their customers who play high takeout tracks.
Finally, let’s go back and revisit the math. Saratoga ran 10 and 11 race cards on weekends last year. I do believe, if memory serves, that they ran 9-race cards one day per week; max two, for sure.
So let’s now compare, on average, 10 races per day for $750,000, SIX days a week--vs.--$1,000,000 for THREE days of 12 races.
How about putting your name on the record next time.
Thanks for your interest.
JP
10 Mar 2010 at 12:11 pm | #
.....That “Stating The Obvious” is a moron.
10 Mar 2010 at 12:15 pm | #
I would rather get shot in the head than bleed to death. Racetracks are bleeding to death. At least Monmouth is trying something new. But where will all of the horses come from?
10 Mar 2010 at 12:16 pm | #
Will be interesting to see what jocks come and if some stables move in from Calif.
I like the idea that someone is trying something and I wish them luck. Twelve races does seem a bit much though. A reduced takout in one of the major pools would spur further action from the gambling community.
10 Mar 2010 at 12:19 pm | #
Do not expect increase in handles on races 1 and 2 and races 11 and 12....people like the beach and their dinner too much in NJ....understand the desperation in the move, as the state is broke as a joke and the AC casinos will not be handing over any more money after this year, so this is there ALL in move , but john forbes who i remember once was nothing but a nobody with a bunch of horses the publid didnt want to bet on, sure did sell out the people with those same horses now, trying to save the bank account of his fat ass....havent had enough time to think of all the pros and cons as of yet, which i am sure no one in NJ did either, but my gut says there is NO way the handle doubles, so i guess that means it will be a failure
10 Mar 2010 at 02:36 pm | #
Unless, Monmouth offers better med information,like,
first time front ankles will be injected with
cortisone.
10 Mar 2010 at 04:09 pm | #
TO:
“Bob says:
09 Mar 2010 at 10:46 pm | #
Dennis from Ohio - why don’t you do us a favor and kill yourself already? “
You’re either one of the blind fools making some of the rediculous decisions sending this industry to its grave OR you are one of those blind fools who would support it if the take was 80% and breakage was 20%.
And, yet, without insulting you FIRST, there seems to be room for both our opinions and ideas on this forum. I suggest you bypass mine in the future since it is highly unlikely that you or your version of this industry will do anything to sway my current view of reality.
For you, rather than death, I wish nothing but good health and long life so you can enjoy the view of what will happen with me.
Are we not all God’s children? Wink! LOL!
10 Mar 2010 at 04:37 pm | #
Nick Kling,
I admire your work but I also think it is shady how you work for a paper reporting on racing but also work for OTB. How can u be objective? They are a cancer stealing money from our sport. Does your paper know u also collect a check from OTB? I never once see u write a negative thing about OTB but I guess that’s because they pay u.
10 Mar 2010 at 05:01 pm | #
JP,
Everyone certainly has an opinion on today’s subject including me, great job!
First and foremost is the consolidation of races which is long overdue for the industry. I certainly applaud Monmouth for taking the lead.
I believe the purse subsidy Monmouth receives from the Atlantic City casinos is about $50 million and 2010 is the last year of their agreement. I would assume future agreements will be substantially lower. So how much will on-track handle need to increase in order for Monmouth to preserve funds for 2011 purses to make up for the anticipated casino subsidy decrease?
The anticipated increase in off track handle will show minimal profit increase to Monmouth due to low percentage split the host track gets. Not to mention the often locked out players due to states failing to come to agreement on revenue split.
While you state that the industry must come together, can’t you envision New York OTB’s and NYRA failing to come to agreement with the Monmouth signal? Do you think that the Monmouth feed will be readily available at Saratoga? Or even Aquatoga?
I also believe Charlie Hayward has the wheels spinning in his head on how to defense NYRA against this and have his product remain the tops in the game.
With that being said, I will make my trip down to Monmouth for United Nations weekend just like every other year and I will be sure to leave my NYRA One card home and put some handle through the windows. They certainly deserve it!
10 Mar 2010 at 05:22 pm | #
I want a clean well-lighted place that pours a good drink for a fair price. I want a place where I can take a date or spend the afternoon or evening with my friends and our adult children. I want a place that is clean, a place where I can entertain customers and business associates. I want honest racing.
What is more important is what I do not want. I do not want to be embarrassed by my association with horse racing. I do not want to explain that I do not cheat or that people in this business do not regularly cheat. I do not want to explain the filth and physical degradation of Rockingham Park or the disgraceful conditions that exist in the physical plants than make up New York State’s various OTB outlets, Albany Tele-theatre excluded.
At stakes events and at Saratoga all summer long I do not think too deeply about whether the horse I pick is crippled or if the horse is ‘well-ment’.
I believe that New Jersey is attempting to give me what I want and exclude what I do not want. I want, honest racing in a clean well lighted place that pours a good drink at fair prices…
11 Mar 2010 at 01:24 am | #
Mark A,
1) You are incorrect that I’ve never written anything critical of OTB.
For starters, I’ve criticized many times OTB’s stance on takeout, which is the single most important factor for horseplayers. Recently I wrote a column describing NYC OTB as one of the three most despised racing entities in America.
If you, or anyone else, care to do a little research, go to http://www.troyrecord.com and type my last name into the search box on the home page, choosing the option which searches newspaper archives.
2) The Record knows of my OTB TV show and specifically approved it when I was hired in 1997.
3) My status at The Record is as handicapper and opinion columnist. I am not a reporter, and the difference is why there is no conflict of interest. Nevertheless, the TV show has never influenced my columns, which can easily be determined by anyone who has actually taken the time to read them. I invite you to do so.
11 Mar 2010 at 04:58 am | #
RW, they will come from all the tracks that insist on racing 5-6 days a week, but can only offer lower purses. If you are an owner or trainer and you have a choice of running in a race on Wednesday at a track with maybe 200 in attendance that has a $25,000 purse or running in a race on Friday that has maybe 2,000 (hopefully thousands more) and a $100,000 purse, same conditions, which would you choose?
11 Mar 2010 at 05:09 am | #
All- re. the takeouts remember that the Mth Pick 4 and $.50 Pick 5 takeout is 15%. It is one of the best bets in the game, and sometimes (at least last year), there’d be a carryover making it a must play.
11 Mar 2010 at 06:04 am | #
One question. where is this purse money going to come from? Oops. It’s NJ. Taxpayers better hide now. I like the concept, but as long as the state owns and runs the tracks involved, it’s a non-starter. I know. I spent 9 lomg years there. Get the state completely out of it then let’s talk. As much as I like any new idea to be heard, anything coming from there unfortunattely in my view, comes across as another foaming at the mouth stab the taxpayer antic. I wish I was wrong as I love monmouth. but past history defintely shows the opposite.
11 Mar 2010 at 07:45 am | #
Al,
Since I’m on track every day during the Saratoga meet, I spend little time looking at simulcast tracks, except for weekend stakes. (Have attended the last two Haskells, BTW).
Due to my lack of daily participation, I didn’t realize that the takeout on the Monmouth Park 50-Cent Pick 5 is 15%. I’m there. I’ll be looking at those PPs every Friday, Saturday and Sunday this summer. Thanks for the heads-up.
JP
11 Mar 2010 at 07:55 am | #
85% X 0 = 0 ....with all the 12 horse fields with the 9 drop downs, because the purses are artificially inflated , NO ONE will be hitting any pick 4s...but todd pletcher and steve assmussen , thank you for trying !
11 Mar 2010 at 08:49 am | #
For once a racetrack implements what the customers have been clamoring for and we (as a group)
suddenly become skeptics?
How did we horse bettors become this jaded?
I agree it will be worthwhile to attack the pools
such as the 50 cent Pick 3’s at the aforementioned 15% rate. But this is a golden opportunity to take the win-place-show rates to where they should be.
A meet of this duration deserves a good boost not only from the horsemen’s side on the customer’s side. I am not a multi-race specialist, I am a vertical bettor. Either way, I’d welcome a reduction in any form, however miniscule it may be.
11 Mar 2010 at 09:31 am | #
I wish Monmouth Park the best with this experiment this year. It is my favorite race track, more so than Saratoga, and hope it can weather the storm through these lean times.
I agree with wmcmorrow on one point--cheap racing often offers great betting opportunities. While I consider myself a reasonably knowledgeable handicapper, I am a casual player, getting to the track when I have the free time, which has become increasingly short and can’t study as much as I’d like. I have trouble competing with some of the big players on the major circuits like NY where every horse I like seems to have lower post time odd than the ML odds. But I don’t have to knock heads with them on races like the NJ-Bred maidens going 6F at Monmouth or the early double at Finger Lakes.
Bottom line, though, if large fields are available, I and many horseplayers I know, bet more whether it’s the Belmont Stakes or 5K claimers at Finger Lakes.
Monmouth just better hope the weather holds up this summer.
11 Mar 2010 at 07:27 pm | #
Slots are a no-no in KY but a concrete life preserver in the form of Instant Racing machines with a 18.5% take (LMAO) is THE ANSWER passed by the political machine to combat slots in neighboring states.
One more instance of politicians screaming how STUPID they think the wagering fan is. I can see it now. Hundreds of thousands of fans leaving their slots that return 95% to the players for KY racing time machines that return 81.5% to the players. Insult to injury, extra 1.5% tax for any from KY that dare wager using ADW’s.
Maybe all those jokes about the inbreeding are true.
On his wedding night a young KY politician calls his pa to tell him he shot his new bride because she’s still a virgin. “Damn it, Joe Bob, why you’d do that for?” asks the father. He answers, “Pa, if she ain’t good ‘nuf fer her family, she ain’t good ‘nuf fer ours!”
Good luck, NJ… Lol… Read on…
KY Racing Aid Bill Called ‘Life Preserver’
Tom LaMarra at http://WWW.Bloodhorse
Updated: Thursday, March 11, 2010 6:30 PM
Posted: Thursday, March 11, 2010 5:03 PM
Legislation authorizing Instant Racing, a tax on advance deposit wagering, and a reduction in the pari-mutuel excise tax sailed through the Kentucky Senate Committee on State and Local Government March 11 and heads to the full Senate, where it’s expected to pass.
The bill, offered by Republican Sen. Damon Thayer, who chairs the committee, is a revision of legislation passed by the House of Representatives that dealt only with the ADW tax. Thayer’s bill passed on a vote of 11-1.
If the bill becomes law, it’s unclear how much revenue will be raised for the struggling horse industry in Kentucky. Proceeds won’t be anywhere close to the minimum of $100 million expected for purses from video lottery terminals or slot machines.
“This proposal will be of some help to the racing industry,” said Democratic Sen. Julian Carroll, who voted for the measure. “It will increase purses some, but 5% really won’t do us any good. We need to double purses to compete with Pennsylvania.
“Obviously, this was thrown at me today, but I’m going to support it. If someone is drowning, we need to throw them a life preserver, but (with this legislation) I think we’re still leaving them in the water.”
The committee meeting was called during the regular March 11 Senate session, and took place after the Senate adjourned for the day. During the session, the Senate passed a breed development bill that included provisions for a Breeders’ Cup tax exemption should Cup officials announce before Nov. 4 they plan to return in 2011 or 2012.
Instant Racing machines are pari-mutuel in nature because the outcome of the games is based on previously-run races, but they closely resemble VLTs with some of the bells and whistles. An attorney general’s opinion said they could be legalized simply by changing the pari-mutuel law.
Thayer’s bill calls for a minimum of 81.5% of money wagered to be paid to players, and mandates 1.5% would go toward the state’s equine breed development programs. Assuming tracks pay the minimum to players, 17% would be left, but the bill doesn’t say how that money will be spent.
After the vote, Thayer said racetracks and horsemen’s groups would have to negotiate percentages for the tracks, which must purchase the machines and construct facilities, and for regular purses. It appears the amount paid to purses could vary by track, and could range from zero to 17%.
“The bill assumes the tracks, (Kentucky Horsemen’s Benevolent and Protective Association), and (Kentucky Thoroughbred Association) will get together and negotiate,” Thayer said. “The tracks will have some up-front costs.”
The state will get nothing from Instant Racing or the ADW tax, which was increased from 0.5% in Clark’s bill to 1.5% in the new measure. In another change, all revenue from the ADW tax would be funneled to the Kentucky Thoroughbred Development Fund, which pays purse supplements for Kentucky-bred horses, and the Kentucky Standardbred Development Fund.
Thayer said revenue projections are hazy, but if Clark’s plan would have produced $400,000 a year, the 1.5% tax could produce $1.2 million a year.
The excise tax reduction on live on-track handle would set the rate at 1.5% for all tracks rather than 3.5% for some and 1.5% for others.
Democratic Sen. Ed Worley, who voted in favor of the bill, said he expects Democrats will support it. In his comments after the vote, he indicated it’s highly unlikely racetrack VLTs or slots have any chance to pass during the current General Assembly session.
“Sen. Thayer has worked to come up with an alternative and something passable,” Worley said. “I’m supporting the bill so we can help it to happen.”
In other details, the bill states all ADW providers that take bets on Kentucky races must be licensed by the KHRC. In addition, in order to accept wagers on the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I), Kentucky Oaks (gr. I), and Breeders’ Cup World Championships when they are held in Kentucky, an ADW must accept wagers on all Kentucky races.
Racetracks didn’t oppose the 0.5% tax in Clark’s bill, but their position on a higher tax wasn’t immediately known.
All eight licensed tracks in Kentucky could offer Instant Racing which, according to a summary provided at the committee hearing, generated $190 million in handle at Oaklawn Park in Arkansas in 2009. Oaklawn is fairly isolated and doesn’t have the casino competition faced by most Kentucky tracks.
Instant Racing handle in Kentucky will depend on how well the devices are received in a market with easy access to full-scale casino gambling. It also remains to be seen whether the tracks will be willing to invest in capital improvements to accommodate the machines.
Thayer has authored legislation calling for a constitutional amendment on racetrack VLTs, but he hasn’t yet brought the bill before his committee.
11 Mar 2010 at 07:35 pm | #
NJ is going to attract more than just a few NY horses.
It is a coin flip as to whether any will be left in NY at all when OTB folds and tracks starts closing. It took ten years and the final decision was “no decision"… Let me see a show of hands. How many believe they have another ten years to argue about it??? Yeah. I don’t either!
News to the point…
BloodHorse.com Breaking News
AEG Out as Casino Operator at Aqueduct
New York officials have scuttled the deal with Aqueduct Entertainment Group to develop a sprawling casino at Aqueduct racetrack, leaving an uncertain future over when the project will ever take shape.
For more information go to http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/breaking-news/55832
12 Mar 2010 at 03:38 am | #
The NYS Legislature has never been a friend of racing, at least not in the 30 years I’ve been following the game. However, between the economy and the scandalous handling of the Aqueduct racino situation the past 8-9 years, Albany may finally be killing the game. The problem, like in some other states I’d imagine, is you’ve always had legislators who are responsible for the future of the game making the decisions who don’t know the difference between a horse’s head and backside.
Now you have the corruption and the incompetence along with the ignorance at every level. A few years ago I asked my state senator a few years ago which racino option he favored and he didn’t know what I was talking about--and he’s been in office a quarter century.
It will be interesting to see if the NJ/Monmouth proposal will spur anyone to action. I highly doubt it. The NYS Legislature is probably unaware of the biggest threat to its racing industry in decades.
13 Mar 2010 at 04:26 pm | #
Pricci,
Please remove your head from your anal cavity:
Saratoga ran fewer than 10 Thoroughbred races per day, on average, during the 2009 meeting.
Monmouth, as advertised plans to run “12 races” per day to attain their $1,000,000.
Furthermore, I did not use the word “fail” in relation to Ellis Park, but it was a moronic experiment as anyone with half a brain anticipated.
You show your cluelessness later in this thread when admitting to having had no idea about this supposedly fantastic bargain on the Monmouth pick-5, even though the resounding success (your implication, and nobody else’s) of the Ellis Park experiment surely had to convince like-minded individuals (lord help them) that this manna from heaven would be the saving grace for horseplayers and for horse racing everywhere.
As I stated: “those with common sense saw (and continue to see) right through” those Sam Houston, Ellis, and Monmouth empty advertising techniques, while you just can’t…
Let me guess:
When you go to a store and see an item listed with a regular price of “2 for $6.00”, and today it’s on sale at $2.99, you load up your cart with that item and then return to purchase more the next day?
Now wake up and make at least a half-decent effort to understand the sport on which you so absent-mindedly pontificate.
13 Mar 2010 at 11:57 pm | #
For The Record,
Saratoga ran 365 races in 2009, over a 36 day meet.
That averages out to 10.14 races per day—for those to whom it is not so obvious.
14 Mar 2010 at 11:07 am | #
Nick: I guess those who continue to identify themselves via pseudonym, appropriate in this instance, wouldn’t bother to do the math, or take the word of someone who was in attendance for 36 days at Spa 2009.
Nor would they bother to acknowledge the reasons for an experiment that succeeded in raising handle significantly.
Mr. Obvious: Guessing you probably didn’t get the memo that we discourage personal attacks on this site, encouraging only honest discourse. But then you’d have to tell the world who you are, and acknowledge the agenda that lies beneath the bitterness.
Have a nice life, and the best of luck.
JRP
14 Mar 2010 at 02:51 pm | #
I guess the silliest thing about Mr. Obvious is caring about some average. If MSWs will be $75K at Mth, that’s $25K more than they were at the Spa last summer. I’m sure the NW1Xs and NW2Xs will be 50% higher too. Maybe the 12th will be a four thousand dollar goat race? Who cares! A lot more high class stock is going to be heading for the Jersey Shore that did last summer.
14 Mar 2010 at 05:05 pm | #
Reality can be a bitch, unless of course, you simply ignore it. Wishful thinking does not change it. Wishing those that discuss it and note it would die does not change it. Making snide, low-class, untrue comments about those discussing it or noting it does not change it. The facts are still the facts.
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Saratoga meet this year? Don’t bet on it
March 14, 2010 at 6:41 pm by Christen Gowan
Saratoga Race Course may not open this summer for the first time since World War II if state leaders don’t help the New York Racing Association find revenue soon, frustrated horse breeders say.
This summer’s meet at the unofficial home of racing will not be run, they say, if NYRA doesn’t quickly get some of the nearly $15 million owed to it from New York City Off-Track Betting, or find a new racino operator for Aqueduct Race Track, Barry Ostrager, a NYRA board member, said Friday. He spoke after New York City OTB threatened to shut down at the end of the month and a second company in two years chosen by state leaders to run the Aqueduct racino didn’t work out.
That NYRA will run out of money before the summer without new revenue sources is “empirically verifiable,” said Ostrager, who also represents more than 1,000 breeders in the state as president of New York Thoroughbred Breeders Inc., based in Saratoga Springs.
“This is a for-real financial crisis that could prevent racing from occurring in Saratoga this summer with what I consider to be apocalyptic consequences,” Ostrager said.
If there were no meet at Saratoga Race Course this summer it would further deteriorate, if not dissolve, New York racing and cause the collapse of Saratoga’s tourist economy, he said.
Thoroughbreds and Saratoga Race Course contribute an estimated $150 million a year to the upstate economy, and the track generates about $1 million a year in city, school and county taxes and OTB revenues.
Some 4,500 video lottery terminals (VLTs) at Aqueduct were supposed to be producing significant revenue for the state and racing by last April. But in March 2009, Delaware North pulled out of the project after winning the bid, saying it couldn’t meet its payments. This week, state leaders announced that a second winning bidder, Aqueduct Entertainment Group, was dropped amid investigations.
Racing in New York has long been held in high esteem, but is falling behind other states like Pennsylvania and New Jersey because tracks in those states have slot machines generating revenue, a percentage of which is used to increase race purses, industry experts say. Higher race rewards attract stronger horses.
The absence of VLT funds and the $300 million that New York would have made up-front from the AEG deal leaves NYRA dependent on OTB monies owed to it to survive through August, Ostrager said.
NYRA officials declined comment Friday, but President Charles Hayward said in December that NYRA could run out of money by June 1 if Aqueduct VLTs were not plugged in. NYRA, which only recently was operating under bankruptcy protection, needs about $3 million a month to operate. Hayward more recently said NYRA might make it to the Saratoga meet, but “all bets are off” if New York City OTB closes.
Even if racing goes off in Saratoga this year, there may be a decline in the quality of horses because Monmouth Park in New Jersey recently increased its purses dramatically in direct competition with the Spa, Saratoga County Chamber of Commerce President Joseph Dalton said.
Scrambling state officials on Friday said they were doing all they could to salvage racing and NYRA’s finances.
Gov. David Paterson strongly recommends rebidding VLTs at Aqueduct, and finding an operator by the end of 2010, spokesman Morgan Hook said. “The governor’s office is well aware of the concerns in Saratoga,” Hook said.
New York City OTB entered bankruptcy court in December to shield it from $228 million in debts, including $42 million owed to the state’s harness and thoroughbred tracks and about $14.7 million owed to NYRA.
Assemblyman J. Gary Pretlow, chairman of the state Racing and Wagering Committee, said Friday he would release a plan, perhaps this weekend, requiring major structural changes at New York City OTB that would result in money for NYRA.
“NYRA will be whole at the end of the day,” Pretlow said. “I don’t have a fear that the Saratoga meet will be canceled.” Aqueduct and Belmont could close for a bit under a worst case scenario, he said.
New York City OTB cannot pay out money until it is out of bankruptcy or restructured by the state. It has begun layoffs, but the organization is still hopeful for a future, Chairman Meyer “Sandy” Frucher said Friday in a prepared statement. “To this end and to minimize the pain, we have advised the Legislature of an interim plan, which would allow us to temporarily defer certain statutory payments up to 90 days. If authorized, this would enable NYCOTB to continue to operate and pay its employees during this time, in which we remain hopeful that a long-term solution can be adopted,” Frucher said.
Saratoga Race Course previously closed for three summers during World War II and in 1911 and 1912 due to state laws against betting. Extreme heat closed its gates for a day on Aug. 2, 2006.
16 Mar 2010 at 10:48 am | #
NY racing (and the Saratoga summer meet in particular)is much too valuable to be left to our esteemed politicians. Most of you make cogent comments vis a vis ‘the game’ on a broader view, however the sport we all love is precipitously dangling by it’s finger nails and needs help from within. Our legislators seem to rely on the old ‘take from Peter to pay Paul’ approach. That method cannot work with the economic turmoil the states are experiencing presently. Maybe...just maybe, the AEG’s, the Steve Wynns, The Empires (or any combination ) should get NYRA back from the aforementioned pols, buy it and run an old fashioned American business. Make a profit or lose money without the insidious and heavy hand of Albany melodramatically torturing and wounding all of us. Say what you will about Frank Stronach, but he had the guts to TRY and do it ‘his way’. The loss of the tradition of our once great game will be a bitter pill to swallow. Lets hope it will never happen
16 Mar 2010 at 11:54 am | #
Stronach? Isn’t he the guy with the “new paradigm of racing” where everyone watches on a TV? Spare me. I can watch on a TV here in NJ, and I can bet too. I don’t need Stronach. I want to be able to smell the horsepoop. I want it to be green and beautiful. I would much rather have the Phippses controlling racing than some @$$hole like Stronach.