SARATOGA SPRINGS, May 6, 2010--I’ve known John Veitch for some time. I first met him back in the day through Newsday turf writer Bill Nack. He hung out afternoons in a cottage on the Belmont backstretch with his buddy, David Whiteley.
Our relationship carried on through the Alydar-Affirmed era, he being the trainer of the former, of course, and it continued later when he was holding forth evenings at Lillian’s on Broadway here in Saratoga during race meets.
He doesn’t do that anymore and neither do I. In fact, I’m not sure I know anyone who does. The place is too crowded, as they say, so no one goes there anymore.
That, and the inevitable change of life style fostered by the kind of wisdom that only many spins around the track and resultant maturity can provide. When the teeth grow long, stamina grows short.
Anyone who’s met Veitch, now chief steward for the Commonwealth of Kentucky, is familiar with his level of intelligence. When he first left the backstretch world, he tried to wise everyone up, telling anyone who listened that the trend of breeding for speed and the sales ring instead of the racetrack would have dire consequences.
Nobody listened, of course, but Veitch turned out to be a visionary. Eventually, steroids found their way into the backstretch and equine bloodstreams. They weren’t illegal at the time and had therapeutic uses. Of course, like too much of any good thing, they were abused.
That’s no longer the case as steroids were banned in the aftermath of Eight Belles and Big Brown’s Belmont debacle. So for the most part, two-year-old fillies don’t resemble five year old geldings any longer.
In the main there are two kinds of trainers; those who work for big outfits or have huge public stables, or betting trainers who must survive by their wits, skill and handicapping acumen.
As trainer for Calumet Farm, there never was a need for Veitch to survive via the betting window. Now, of course, as chief steward he can’t bet but it’s a role for which he is suited by dedication and sentiment.
Veitch deals with a strong hand and has unwavering integrity. He was the driving force behind righting L’Affaire Biancone. However, it might have been better for all horseplayers had Veitch been a bettor in the past, an exacta bettor to be precise.
Horseracing is based on a difference of opinion. It’s why one handicapper could look at Super Saver’s Arkansas Derby and see a colt hanging in deep stretch, while another looks at the race and sees a horse showing signs that perhaps it can be rated.
Moments after the Kentucky Derby, NBC showed replays of the stretch run. Moments after that, I was screaming at the high definition picture indicating that, to me, jockey Kent Desormeaux gave third finisher Paddy O’ Prado only intermittent urging in deep stretch.
Intermittent urging normally is reserved for a race winner, a horse clearly out front that is sure to win and needs not to be ridden aggressively in the final strides to do so.
Intermittent urging is commonly associated with the short descriptive comment “won ridden out,” meaning a horse was neither ridden aggressively nor eased late in a dominating performance. It means that the rider is keeping his horse focused while saving a little for next time. Bettors have no problem with this tack.
But not so on Saturday when Desormeaux’s intermittent late handling in all probability cost Paddy O’ Prado’s owners second money and bettors a winning 4-10 exacta. Originally, I wasn’t going to write about the incident because I had a vested interest in the outcome. Then I read a series of newspaper quotes.
“I think he thought he had second locked up,” trainer Dale Romans told Jennie Rees of the Louisville-Courier Journal. “I think if he kept riding harder, we’d have hung on for second.”
Then, perhaps not wanting to lose the talented Desormeaux‘s services, he qualified his remarks by adding: “He's a Hall of Fame jockey. You know you're going to get a good ride from him in the Preakness.”
The official Equibase chart indicated that Paddy O'Prado “hung” in the final sixteenth while Ice Box came roaring up on the outside to secure the place. In my opinion, Paddy O’ Prado did not hang, and apparently it didn’t appear that way to Desormeaux, either.
On Tuesday, continued the Rees story, Desormeaux sent Romans a text saying in part: “Could have won Derby. Let's win the Preakness … Galloped out in front FYI…”
Could have won, but should have been second. Hanging finishers normally don’t gallop out in front.
When I read Veitch’s comments in the story, my face turned devil’s red. “We looked at it and it was very marginal,” he said. “He has a reputation for doing that, but it really didn’t alter the outcome.”
Nearly $22 million was bet in the Derby exacta pool, not counting additional monies wagered in each of three advance betting pools conducted by Churchill Downs. Stewards everywhere need to learn the following: Their first obligation is to the betting public not the horsemen. On that there is no compromise.
Desormeaux’s actions probably did alter the outcome. A review of the replay, available online for review, will show that Desormeaux did not drive his horse strongly to the wire. In the final stages, the rider looked over his right shoulder and probably surmised that he could easily keep Make Music For Me safe, which he did by several lengths.
But Ice Box was rallying widest of all and outside of Make Music For Me. The rider likely never saw that late threat coming. Then, with the wire fast approaching, he like made peripheral contact with Ice Box and went back to scrubbing on ‘Paddy’. Too little and too late.
When a rider loses a race, or a placing, due to overconfidence, it’s usually the result of “styling,” showing the crowd and the connections that he and his horse are in complete control. They are wrong often enough to affect many outcomes. The practice is wrong headed and countermands the rule that jockeys must ride their mounts out to the finish.
Stewards on the other side of the world take this aspect seriously and their actions are transparent. American stewards do not and operate behind closed doors. Maybe they should be allowed to bet if for no other reason than to learn how it feels when their choice is beaten by rider arrogance.
What is really unforgivable here is the admission by Veitch that Desormeaux “has a reputation for doing that.” Then why is he not punished for doing so? Why is he allowed to continue flouting the rules so that he earns a reputation for doing so? This can no longer stand.
If by definition and opinion Desormeaux’s actions were too marginal to alter the order of finish, fine. I don’t agree but I can accept that judgment calls in any sport are part of the game. But when a rider is a member of the Hall of Famer in his sport, shouldn‘t he be a positive role model instead of one with a reputation for breaking the rules?
Maybe if jockeys were suspended and fined, say, the equivalent of the purse they cost the horse’s connections, this practice of not riding horses out to the finish would stop. But for that to happen, stewards everywhere must do their jobs. They are employed to protect the betting public.





06 May 2010 at 11:49 pm | #
Your commentary above clearly identifies the reason I don’t use exacta and trifecta wagers, preferring to select win bets and double, pick three, and pick four wagers. During the early years it became painfully obvious to me that many jockeys were ‘saving’ the horse for the next time when it was obvious they were not going to catch the horse in front of them; and I believe that in the majority of such situations, the jockey is following the trainer’s instructions.
As to the Kentucky Derby, as I have said before, the stewards go out for coffee.
07 May 2010 at 02:36 am | #
Not sure why you associate steroids with Eight Belles since her post race tests concluded that steroids were not in her system.
As for WMCorrow’s comment, I hope after all his years of watching races he really doesn’t think that stopping on a horse in the final strides saves anything for next time.
07 May 2010 at 02:45 am | #
Wendell,
Perhaps if the racing associations and the states read your comments they’d realize this practice costs them betting handle, as some bettors might feel exactly as you do.
Even if it were not an economic issue, this speaks to the integrity of the sport and the information upon which bettors rely.
The reason a horse is supposed to be ridden out in all instances, as is the case in many countries, is so that bettors can better assess a horse’s ability and make a more informed handicapping decision.
This is not to say horses should be extended beyond their capabilities that would put them at some risk. There is a distinction here and the health of the animal ultimately comes first.
But then there is the fan: No healthy bettors, no purses, no game. And this IS the best game played outdoors, bar none.
Thanks Wendell, on something we can agree.
JP
07 May 2010 at 02:47 am | #
wasn’t desormeaux just crying about inexperienced jockeys on the track last week? maybe it is time for him to go back to jockey school. he pulled up big brown a couple of years ago at the belmont. maybe the pressure gets to him
07 May 2010 at 02:51 am | #
EJXD2,
Actually thought twice about referencing Eight Belles exactly for that reason. But her tragic demise created was the impetus for the federal hearing in Washington D. C. which ultimately led to the steroid ban. Thanks.
JP
07 May 2010 at 02:57 am | #
Why is Eight Belles referred to in steroid abuse? That’s self-serving reputation abuse to me.
07 May 2010 at 03:17 am | #
Rachel,
Again, the publicity surrounding her death led to a federal inquiry that led to an industry ban.
Tess,
I was a huge BB fan and you’re not alone in your criticism of Desormeaux for pulling him up in the Belmont. But the horse looked awful in the post parade, appeared agitated also, as I remember, and while I was crushed at the time, I thought KD did the right thing in taking no chances.
Thanks all,
JP
07 May 2010 at 05:34 am | #
Kent does indeed “have a reputation for that”. That’s why he’s referred to as “Sleepy” on the backstretch. He has immense talent but also demonstrates frequent bad judgment such as described here. Ask Richard Mandella about the incident where Desormeaux cost him a win in the Japan Cup by misjudging the finish line. Anyone recall his ride on Big Brown when he pulled him up? Find me another rider, thank you very much.
07 May 2010 at 05:39 am | #
John: Great column, not because I totally agree, but because it should be stated. I have been writing about Kent Desormeaux for many years. His bad habits have followed him. He wants it both ways. While rightfully claiming there are those who gain jockey licenses who shouldn’t be riding, the basic rules of race riding are simply not enforced. For eons now I have been campaigning for California to upgrade its statutes regarding drugs, riding infractions, the gamut. The wordage of most statutes can be, and will continue to be exploited by any common day lawyer. I am among those who pointed to Desormeau’s failure to ride all the way to the wire in the Derby. I spend tireless hours reviewing video tape of races on a daily basis. It’s been my trade for many years so I feel qualified to offer an opinion. If I were the owner of Paddy ‘o Prado I would take him off because he cost them $200,000 in purse money. For years I have been close friends with famed jockey agent Vince DeGregory. He has taught many a Hall Of Fame rider the do’s and don’ts. One of the things he did with Joel Rosario before he became a star in the west, was to get him to put his stick in the left hand when passing a horse on the left. DeGregory is currently working with Alonso Quinonez. It wasn’t long ago when Quinonez won a race, but DeGregory was not happy. His rider was “posing” before the finish. That is not happening any longer. Quinonez is riding out his mounts past the wire. When Desormeaux was riding in California he had this bad habit of not riding his mounts out. He blew many a placement for reasons only he can explain. So when he thought he had second money wrapped up and eased up a bit--it was something we have seen for a long time. And for a steward not to deal with this sort of thing harshly, is just as bad. You’re column prolifically pointed out how much second could have meant to those of us betting the exotics. This is something Kent has never gotten through his think skull. We are betting on who finishes second, third, fourth and in some exotics fifth. So when your friend John Veitch said “it was marginal” did he look at it as a bettor? I don’t think so. Then Mr. Veitch added insult to the non-action on his part by saying “he has a reputation for doing that.” Okay, if he’s got that reputation, don’t you have an obligation to enforce the rules> Grrrrr!!!!!!!!! Anyway, nice column. You hit a lot of nerves and someday we’ll get it right in horse racing. I’ve been covering racing for nearly 40 years and I keep hoping we will deal with this sort of issue with clout.
warren eves, las vegas
07 May 2010 at 05:54 am | #
Maybe Kent D. was thinking about all of those cocktails he’d be drinking on vacation after the Derby and it clouded his judgement!! If you have checked out the replay of Steve Byk’s Tuesday show, a very relaxed Kent D. chimed in on the Derby.
http://www.thoroughbredracingradionetwork.com/index.php?option=com_events&task=view_detail&agid=744&year=2010&month=05&day=04&Itemid=35
07 May 2010 at 06:09 am | #
Thanks all.
Tom, Was wondering where “Sleepy” came from, now I get it. Thanks.
Warren, Thanks for weighing in. It’s so frustrating. Kent is an enormous talent as a race rider, stealing many races while other riders sleep. And horses run like hell for him.
In the final analysis, the blame lies with racing officials. Laws and rules are senseless if those in charge refuse to enforce them. If stewards are not careful, they’ll find themselves on the wrong side of a class action suit one day.
Eee,
Let’s hope his head clears before he takes the mount on Drosselmeyer in tomorrow’s Dwyer.
JP
07 May 2010 at 06:29 am | #
What a bunch of ‘grand-stand jockeys’. Any of you critics ever ridden in a horserace? Has it occurred to any of you that a horseman knows best when further flogging is futile?
Racing will lose more fans because of the spectacle of flogging a tired horse than it ever will because a few gamblers lose their Exacta.
07 May 2010 at 07:14 am | #
Kent D was quoted after the race: “He stumbled real bad here at the sixteenth pole. He must have stepped in a hole.”. It sounds like no one else has noticed him stumble in all the articles about his ride in the Derby. After he caught Noble’s Promise, he looked back and the horse switched leads. Maybe if he was paying attention to his own horse, he would’ve noticed that. Also, he needs to ride through the wire, not to the wire. Just like in baseball, you run through first base not to it.
07 May 2010 at 07:35 am | #
I believe Desormeaux was given the nickname “Sleepy” by Indian Charlie after the morning about a week before the 2006 Derby when Desormeaux was supposed to work his mount, Sweetnorthernsaint, the Illinois Derby winner who ended up the Derby favorite. Desormeaux overslept - he blamed his alarm clock not going off, or the wake-up call didn’t come - and Mike Trombetta had to find another jock to work the horse.
07 May 2010 at 07:42 am | #
You can tell all the people who lost money, including Pricci. Wah wah wah wah boo hoo. They probably bet Rachel the day before at 1-9 when Kent beat her ass with one of his typically superb rides. You hear these people at every track. “jockeys suck, jockeys suck”. How about
“your handicapping sucks”. KJD is one of the top 5 jocks in the country , but morons want them to win every race they bet on.
07 May 2010 at 08:22 am | #
Raul,
I lost the exacta, yes, I guess because your boy stepped in a phantom hole. You must have missed the part where I wrote “in the final analysis the blame lies with racing officials.” I do agree, IMO, that KD is in the conversation for one of the best race riders in America.
Jon,
Exactly, not ride to the wire, but through the wire.
Garrett,
Correct, horsemen do know best. But I guess that doesn’t include Dale Romans. Besides, by KD’s account to Romans, “galloped out well, FYI.” Someone asked the same question to legendary handicapper Mannie Kalish, about how many horses he’s ever ridden. Kalish’s reply was: “You don’t have to be Willie Sutton to recognize a bank robber, either.”
Eddie,
Now I guess there are two reasons for the “sleepy” nickname. Seems deserved in both cases. And I’m a fan of this guy. Given the previous baseball reference by Jon, it’s too bad Desormeaux doesn’t have a little more Jeter in him.
Thanks all.
JP
07 May 2010 at 08:43 am | #
I don’t have a horse in this race, so to speak. Like the first poster I don’t play exotics, I play the daily double and pick 3, pick 4, etc.
I did not watch the replay but the stewards comment says it all: “He has a reputation for doing that”. That along with his admission that “it was marginal” (in other words admitting there was a problem) is good enough reason to punish the jockey IMO.
Yes, flogging a tired horse is likely to cause racing to lose fans but so will questionable steward decisions.
07 May 2010 at 09:00 am | #
Exactly right John! It’s a disgrace John Veitch and his fellow stewards didn’t call Kent on his obvious riding transgressions that cost Paddy O’Prado second place. As Warren said, if Kent has this reputation—which he does—shouldn’t that make it easier for the stewards to enforce these rules, as opposed to a rider without this reputation?
07 May 2010 at 09:10 am | #
boy o boy....the only one i see thats got it right is “RAUL OF BAYONNE”
TOO MANY CRY BABIES including the pied piper (their leader)..ABOUT BIG BROWN..HE GOT STEPPED ON COMING OUT OF THE GATE ON HIS RIGHT SIDE BEHIND & HIS SHOE WAS BENT 90 DEGREES...THATS WHY KENT PULLED HIM UP..
ON ANOTHER NOTE> I HAVE KNOWN JOHN VEITCH & HIS FATHER...FOR A LONG TIME...GREAT MEN!!!
07 May 2010 at 10:15 am | #
Gene,
Guess you read over the part that said “Veitch deals with a strong hand and has unwavering integrity.” In terms of character and veracity, I couldn’t be more complimentary of Veitch than that. But honest men can have a legitimate difference of opinion.
Sorry, but on this issue I’m not walking back a thing. As stated, “racing is a game built on a difference of opinion.” Meanwhile, I invite any those who disagree to watch the replay closely (pan shot) then make your case. Meanwhile, I’ll continue to err on the side of the fan.
Thanks for commenting.
JP
07 May 2010 at 10:49 am | #
Raul,
I did have Kent aboard Unrivaled Belle and it was a great ride. If he rides Paddy O’Prado in deep stretch the way he rode ‘Belle, he likely would have finished 2nd.
All I ask is for consistency.
07 May 2010 at 11:36 am | #
I wrote that a horseman knows when it is futile to continue flogging. Clearly that must apply to the horseman with a leg on each side of the horse, not the horseman in the grandstand. So with all deference to Romans as a conditioner, he wasn’t onboard.
I’ve suffered a few losses with my own horses because of bad riders. If I owned Paddy O’Prado I would not complain about the ride.
It should be borne in mind that among riders, there are some very good jockeys who are not horsemen and vice versa. There are some riders who are jockeys and horsemen. Among them, Bejarano, Leparoux, Desormeaux.
07 May 2010 at 12:48 pm | #
Mr. Redmond,
Your comments, and Desormeaux’s ride, indicate that neither of you understand the purse money paid to owners, the cut which goes to jockeys and trainers, and ultimately, the purchase prices paid to breeders, comes from bettors who wager on races.
No one is perfect, no matter what their job. However, bettors, who are paying Desormeaux’s wages, have a right to expect an honest effort most of the time. He fails that test too often.
I used to be a farmer, and there was a saying that went with the profession. It was, “Can’t died in the cornfield.”
If anyone is unsure what that means, it is simple. It means there are no excuses for doing less than your best, no one cares why you can’t do the job required, just that you didn’t do it.
Apparently Kent decides a little too often he can’t ride his mount out through the wire, like the rules require, and bettors have a right to expect.
07 May 2010 at 01:44 pm | #
Great story, right on the money watched the replay 10 times there is no doubt if he just kept riding he’s second. I just can’t understand how the stewards just don’t pay attention to serious stuff like this. They are not doing there job and there not protecting the public. But if some guy is smoking in the shedrow let’s fine the poor stiff $100.00.
07 May 2010 at 02:44 pm | #
Many years ago Lafitte Pincay had a horse 3 lengths in front approaching the wire. On the far outside a horse passed him at the wire costing me a pick six. (Which is why I remember.)
If the winner was not in the 8 or 9 path Pincay would’ve seen or heard him.
I thought his horse was a winner. I also didn’t blame him for not seeing the winner or beating his horse with such a substantial lead.
After the race I wished the winner had come up right next to him to engage him in a head to head battle.
Maybe jockeys should never assume they have 1st, second or third locked up even with a comfortable lead over the next horse.
07 May 2010 at 03:56 pm | #
John,
Great article and kudos to you for taking on the subject.
Like you and so many others, I believe Kent is one of the more gifted riders but his reputation supersedes his excuses for his Derby finish.
Ed is right about the “sleepy” nickname but he failed to mention he overslept and missed his 8pm flight from California.
Kent’s interview on Steve’s radio show Tuesday was an absolute disgrace. The guy was three sheets to the wind and you could barely understand him. I was quite surprised Steve didn’t pull the plug on him.
As far as the phantom hole or changing lead excuse it was a crock of ****. Paddy didn’t change leads until the jock let up on him while he was changing goggles and looking over his shoulder.
Then the guy has the audacity to text Romans with an FYI “we won the gallop out”. That’s rubbing salt in the wound.
The Veitch ruling is as disgraceful as the ride!
Quite the aggressive stance by you. You must be hanging around with Nick a lot!!! (just kidding).
Keep up the good work!
07 May 2010 at 04:45 pm | #
No comments on how Gomez almost got put over the rail. That’s what the stewards should look at, but I guess your stupid $2 is more important than a jockey getting killed.That’s why they have stewards , not for trivial crap like this discussion. Get over it...you lost.
08 May 2010 at 02:25 am | #
I think you said it all in one sentence: Kent did not see Ice Box rallying out wide. He rode his horse within the context of the apparent competition. You think that he and his agent would not prefer 2nd money instead of 3rd...a whole lot more than your exacta.
08 May 2010 at 03:05 am | #
Nick Kling,
‘Tis you that does not understand the order of things. Owners, who pay all the bills, certainly do not rely on the gamblers. As a whole, owners lose money every year. Therefore, it is owners who finance and capitalize the business. A majority do it for enjoyment and excitement, not in expectation of profit.
You give me the impression gamblers are in it only with the objective of profit. In that case they should go to wagering on some inanimate device rather than living, breathing people and horses.
Racing will continue with the thousands of small bettors, to whom making a bet is flavor added to watching a horserace. They don’t whine when thy lose.
Joe #27 and Richard #28 have said it better and with brevity. That is my last word on it.
08 May 2010 at 05:00 am | #
John Pricci and Warren Eves,
You have hit the nail on the head,and the bottom line for me and all horse players is who does the rider ride for?
Does he ride for himself,the Owner,the Trainer,the Bettor or per the rules of the Jurisdiction? Yes ,he should ride for the rules of the jurisdiction but many do not, and we have Stewards charged with upholding the rules.
Kent Desormeaux is the poster boy for violating the spirit and intent of the riding rules and there are many factors why he continues to do so.Among them are a lack of respect and contempt for the bettors who support the game and rely on him to follow the rules and ride his horse to the wire.
Another major problem is the Stewards who do not enforce the rules because it is almost impossible to prove what is in the mind of a Jockey, and he can offer a thousand excuses,and send his lawyer too if charged with a violation.
The rules should be enforced equally whenever a placing involves a payout to the bettors or the owners, even if it is for 5th place.
The rules should be like balls and strikes with an Umpire in Baseball… with no challenge to the call.If Horse racing is serious about the rules, it could be easily done.
I think that would put an end to the question of “Who does the rider ride for”
rwwupl
08 May 2010 at 05:18 am | #
Looks like somebody else lost the Derby exacta.........
08 May 2010 at 06:04 am | #
John, I like you have seen things happen on a race track for a long time[see Ycaza, Cordero, Eddie Belmonte,Bobby Ussery et al.]...you may have hit the nail squarely John, but there are a lotta nails in the 2 x 4 we call pari mutual wagering[can we include the French as being part of the blame]...Sleepy[Ed F. story is correct] got a bad deal with Big Brown.Has anybody forgotten his ride in the Derby from what post was that?.The IEAH family obviously did, as memory of success was awfully short… B Square did not like running inside others, it’s that simple.All thought bought into the Month long diatibe bu others comparing him to Secretariat...gimme a break[see Mr. G.Stevens...oh I forgot he had a “piece” of that “Apple” pie. Lastly Tess, very clever, did you stay up all nite coming up with that moniker?....pulleeeze!
08 May 2010 at 06:22 am | #
Mr. Redmond,
Sorry you’ve decided to discontinue the conversation.
Unfortunately, your conception of who are racing’s customers is why the game is in such dire straits.
Dairy farmers would not invest hundreds of thousands of dollars if their were no customers to buy their milk. Nor would Coke bottle its beverage, nor movie producers make their films, if they had no customers.
Your notion Thoroughbred racing operates on some level different from other forms of commerce is ludicrous.
Racing’s customers are horseplayers. The takeout extracted from bets, along with concessions, etc, are why there are purse accounts which pay out to winning horsemen and revenue for racetracks to operate.
If there was no money from these sources, there would be no (or very few) owners to race their horses, and their would be no market for breeders to sell, and there would certainly be no racetracks at which to race for the few owners and breeders who pursued their nonpaying hobby.
Those scattered folks who remained would be back to one-on-one racing between each other, putting up their own stakes and competing on their own homemade ovals, just as it was here in America during the 1700s.
Do you seriously think racing as we know it would exist without gambling? Make no mistake. Without average to large bettors, handle would plummet dramatically.
The small bettors you mentioned are important to the prosperity of the game, but they are the cherry on top of the sundae. Full-time and dedicated weekend players are the sundae.
Personally, I agree with your comment that bettors shouldn’t whine when they lose. This has nothing to do with that. For starters, Desormeaux’s ride had no impact on my Derby wagers.
More importantly, participants in any pastime deserve a fair deal. Far too often in racing, they don’t get it, and racing officials and important participants like yourself (in this case) don’t seem to care.
How would you react if you sold a horse at auction, got stiffed by the buyer, and no one cared, or helped you recover your investment? That is exactly what you are advocating be done to bettors. Get screwed by a jockey? Tough luck. Don’t whine.
Rather, what many are doing is exiting racing and taking up gambling options where the customer is treated as a valued person. Unless racing officials and regulators understand that customer service is crucial to the game’s survival, the sport as we know it will cease to exist.
08 May 2010 at 10:53 pm | #
Nk,
Unfortunately there seem to be small subsets of both horsemen and horseplayers who continually refuse to recognize the other group’s role and contributions with respect to horse racing. I’m sure I’m not alone in appreciating your eloquent response to Mr. Redmond, whose frequent cyber-commentary disparaging bettors typifies those frustrating few. It’s not surprising that a closed mind would be reluctant to engage in open debate.
Back on topic, I find it ironic that one HRI columnist is tormented by the Torpedeaux’s trying finish while another complains about Calvin’s whip stroke count. Why no grumbling about the grief Gomez gave himself looking to get lucky leaving the gate?
08 May 2010 at 11:27 pm | #
Indulto,
I don’t get it either.
Why does doing what’s right, whether it be protecting investors (bettors), owners, breeders, et al, have to be an us versus them debate? For the most part we all have the same goal—the prosperity of the game.
You’re on point as well with your comment about Desormeaux and Borel. Anyone who has watched a significant number of races knows horses with a lead like Super Saver’s lose all the time, particularly in long distance races. I’m sure Calvin didn’t want to become a modern day Bill Shoemaker, standing up before the wire (or in this instance, taking victory for granted) and losing at the wire.
09 May 2010 at 04:11 am | #
JOhn:
Very accurate post...I watched the replay of the Derby >10 times...Once Kent D. passed the tiring horse to get 2nd (believe it was at the 16th pole) he stopped urging ‘Paddy’, changed his goggles, looked over his right to see if anyone was closing...UNFORTUNATELY, he was looking at the 5-path and did not see Ice Box in the 6-path...once he saw ICE Box (about 7-8 strides from the finish line) he started to pump Paddy but at that point had lost ALL momentum.
In full disclosure I had the winner but also had a decent exacta box with ‘Paddy’, so Kent cost me a few $$$...BUT, this is what you get with this guy...One of the comments on this string described him as ‘styling’...IMO this is EXACTLY what he does...Also I asked > 10 other decent handicappers for their opinions on his ride...they ALL agreed that Kent clearly cost the horse 2nd.
One last thing...If this was Australia or Hong Kong, he would have been fined AND suspended!
John
09 May 2010 at 04:14 pm | #
I hope you guys never bet him again...your like the guys I see at every track. If you don’t win your bet, it’s because the jockey screwed up. It couldn’t be your stupid handicapping. Must be the jockey sucks. Don’t bet Kent any more....your loss.
10 May 2010 at 02:26 am | #
TO THE GUY THATS STATING THE SHOEMAKER STANDING UP THING BACK IN 1957…
#1 I was there in person 1957
#2 shoe told me in a private conversation at Saratoga it made no difference because GALLANT MAN never broke stride never changed his lead never slowed down..he got beat.end of story..
14 May 2010 at 03:05 pm | #
Great article, good luck John Veitch as you try to
stem the flow of dollars leaving the racing industry. I am absolutely amazed at the number of complete idiots who say don’t whine because your jockey “stiffed” another finish. This industry conducts it’s entire business with little or no regard to it’s customers.I was a lifetime fan of horseracing till one too many suspect steward decisions caused me to give up my pastime. I see racing overseas and wonder why they operate comepletely transparently, and have much regard for
the bettors, while over here, we want your money, but don’t whine when we apply the rules to some decisions, and not to otherss. This so called sport
has an eternal black cloud over it because money is
involved. It is full of shady owners, trainers, jockeys, stewards, and bettors. Online bettors who make large wagers to manipulate odds, only to cancel them at the last minute and drive up the odds of other horses.Trainers who dope horses for
poor performances as well as improved performances.
Jockeys who need a map to find the finish line and the shortest way to it. Stewards, who hide behind closed doors, making inconsistant decisions daily.
And the industry bigwigs who refuse to man up to the problems that have reached epidemic proportions.I would rather bet the NBA games manipulated by the referees, at least I have a fifty-fifty chance.
16 May 2010 at 07:58 am | #
I agree with Garrett Redmond’s objection to flogging a tired horse. Beating a horse excessively is so clearly counterproductive that it has been regulated in English racing. Studies have shown that whipping is not measurably productive—a horse that wants to win will win and a good example of that is Richard’s Kid’s surge in the Pacific Cup Classic where Mike Smith dropped his whip. Anyone with sense and half a heart would realize that any animal will begin to dread a practice that involves beating and it can ruin a horse’s desire to run, and I really am disgusted by the lack of concern over this. After a few taps to communicate to a horse, beating is just cruel. The jockey can tell when a horse is done for, and horses do respond to other kinds of urging. Regarding Big Brown, KD said in an interview that Big Browns shoe was lose and a nail was going in and out with every step. A good jockey can feel that something is wrong and should be communicating with the horse. In my opinion, the lack of compassion shown to the atheletes, both human and equine, is a big part of what is ruining the sport.
16 May 2010 at 09:16 am | #
This is breeding season: a busy time for everyone trying to make a living with horses.
That is my reason for not wishing to indulge in a debate via this medium. Only the Comment #34, prompts me to take a moment to write this.
If I had a lifetime available to me, I would not squander it making reasoned argument with one who lacks the courage to sign his name.
Nick Kling. At some more opportune time, I shall gladly discuss the issues with you - not that doing so will chane opinions or help the business. Believe you have my Email address.
26 May 2010 at 02:49 am | #
JRP:
In your comment in #3 above, you allude to “integrity of the sport”. What integrity? It is commonly accepted & witnessed every racing day at every track that integrity plays no part in this game. Riders throw rides constantly. Stewarts ignore 50% of all rule violations & get half of their calls completely wrong when “forced” to make a decision.
Hell, most tracks will not even display photo finishes. Some hide gate loading and starts from public view with long range shots or video of birds flying over & outriders returning to the barn area.
Tracks take the attitude that bettors will get what the track decides to give them & they will like it! Integrity??? That is the word that comes to my mind every time a lone speed odds-on favourite comes out of the gate, goes to dead last & is hand ridden for the entire contest.
When the trainer says walk him in, then the jock wanting future rides does just that. And these neutered stewarts do exactly what their employer wants them to do. Ignore all but the absolute most flagrant of fouls.
Even diehard fans such as yourself knows how crooked it is. Like a man madly in love with a cheat’n woman. Can’t live with her & can’t live without her.
LMAO!