SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY, August 10, 2010--I’ve tried, I’ve pleaded, I’ve cajoled, just short of begging. I’ve written pieces such as “Can’t We All Get Along?” Go back in the archives and read one if you doubt that.
Other stories have been written, too, stories that posited how unfair and shortsighted it is that a compliment of either Zenyatta or Rachel Alexandra is to disrespect the other.
You might be glad to learn that, like most of you, I’m sick of reading and writing about the two mares, no matter how great they are. And until they race again, or new news develops, I no longer will stoke this insatiable fire.
First, this heads-up to Webmaster Mark. Get ready for an onslaught of invective, character assassination, or worse. It could get ugly quickly. But I’ve had enough. Now it’s time to allow chips to fall.
Running Zenyatta in the Zenyatta is a disgrace.
At least when New Mexico-bred sprinter Peppers Pride remained in state-bred company to complete an unbeaten streak at 19, the connections never promised a whirlwind campaign. They placed her where they expected her to win.
This year, the Zenyatta camp have done the same. Only their Perfect Campaign has done a disservice to the legacy to the great race mare.
Is Secretariat or Seattle Slew or Spectacular Bid or Man o’ War any less than because they got beat? Since when is losing a race some big disgrace? Horse racing is a game in which if you’re wrong two out of three times you’re considered a genius.
The true disgrace in all this is saying one thing and doing another. The connections promised they would share Zenyatta with all her fans. I wasn’t aware that all of them lived in California.
Detractors disparaged Rachel Alexandra because they felt Jess Jackson ducked the 2009 Breeders’ Cup. Beating Grade 1 males thrice, including elders, just wasn’t a world class good enough. But they can’t say it came as a surprise.
Jackson announced he wouldn’t run on “the plastic” well before the Woodward. No one was surprised that another very successful businessmen had become a control freak. By definition, control freaks get what they want. What’s the good of having all this weight if you can’t throw it around?
The rescheduled, lengthened and enriched Lady’s Secret Stakes at Monmouth Park is an example of this. It was no less tacky than the road being taken by Zenyatta‘s people.
The wraps finally are coming off the defending Horse of Year’s 2010 campaign. Resultantly, one of the hottest mares on the East Coast, ironically named Malibu Prayer, will duck Rachel and head to Monmouth Park for the Molly Pitcher instead.
But the Personal Ensign will be no walkover. Life At Ten and Unrivaled Belle are more than capable Grade 1 rivals.
When the undefeated mare recently went after 18 straight and pulled it off, no one noticed. After tying Cigar, Zenyatta’s every move should have been chronicled in mainstream sports media. Nothing fires the imagination like a little imagination.
Instead, it all happened with a whimper. The only people who knew what was happening were racing’s true fans, some of whom waited until 9:30 on a Saturday night to see her on a delayed simulcast feed, if one were even available.
I cannot forget how excited I was to hear that Zenyatta would race again at 6; a clear challenge against all odds. She would be shared with all of racing’s fans and the rest of America, too, not just those in her own backyard. Finally, a win for racing. Instead, we got 2009 all over again.
As a sports fan and lover of this greatest game played outdoors, I can no longer root for Zenyatta’s human connections and, by extension, their mare to win #19. They had a chance to perhaps make a small difference but instead placed greater emphasis on their own local celebrity and “the streak.”
If the Zenyatta camp had a true sense of history and tradition, they might have recalled how a great West Coast champion beat a great East Coast champion in the 1978 Jockey Club Gold Cup. And they might have remembered, too, how it was the vanquished Seattle Slew that won the day. His greatest performance came in a losing effort.
I can’t think of anything more deliciously appropriate than to see Zenyatta suffer her first defeat in a race named in honor, a made-for-the-moment Grade 1 event that disrespected another great mare, Lady’s Secret, who never ducked, who sought new worlds to conquer and not challenges to avoid.
And would a defeat in Zenyatta the race make Zenyatta the horse any less than? Of course not. Would it mean that she would have no chance for redemption a month later with a Classic repeat at Churchill Downs? Again, no. And isn’t that truly the stuff of legend?
“If we go to New York, that will mean she’ll be away from the barn for over a month,” Shirreffs told the Daily Racing Form early this week. "The only thing that concerns me is if I go to New York, do I go directly to Kentucky?
“How long do I stay away from the [California] stable? I'm not a good telephone trainer. We have to decide the best decision. We'll follow the script as much as possible as we did last year," he said.
And so any trainer who successfully ships around the country apparently is a good telephone trainer. I thought he might be just good horsemen, perhaps even a sportsman.
Following last year’s script is not a bad thing and is common practice in this business. But we all could have saved lots of time if we were told that right from the beginning.





11 Aug 2010 at 11:47 pm | #
John I put up a thread about this at Pace Advantage some days ago and I agree with what you have to say.
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73876
The connections are campaigning for runner up HOY once again and they’re gonna act surprised when they win it again this time.
For whatever reason this camp doesn’t see what more and more people are beginning to see. This is the most dissapointing schedule for any “superstar” this sport has ever seen.
The Z camp acts as if it doesn’t have any choice but to run in the races it chooses. That is absolutely false. The reigning Breeders Cup Classic Champion ducked the Hollywood Gold Cup and will duck the Pacific Classic as well. She ducked the Personal Ensign and will duck the Beldame. This schedule is a disgrace!
The Z fans who worship her need a name and I have come up with the “Zoonies”. I named them the “Zoonies” because the blind worship kind of reminded me of the “Moonies”. For anyone who doesn’t remember the Moonies (Moonie (plural Moonies) is a term which refers to members of the Unification Church. It is derived from the name of the church’s founder Sun Myung Moon.)
Zenyatta is a great mare and her personality is one for the ages. She has no say in who she races against but her connections do. They seem to believe that having a perfect record trumps all and they are dead wrong.
12 Aug 2010 at 01:33 am | #
You want disappointment just look at todays card at Saratoga.Are we back on the inner at the Big A? Unplayable!!
I have no complaints with the way the connections of Zenyatta have handled her.
Did you see the excitement this animal created before, during and after her last race. Most folks were tuned in, either at the track or in front of the television to see her perform her antics and watch her win a race.FOX television interrupted the Dodger game so that fans could see her. I’ll bet the preponderance of the audience had no idea of what class, distance or the names of the other horses she was running against. They were tuned into watching Zenyatta.
The complaint through the years is that horse racing doesn’t have the stars to attract an audience of younger fans. Zenyatta is exactly what the industry needs yet you have the East coast- West coast war of words because the connections of both horses have their personnel agenda.
My advise is to forget the head to head meeting and focus on the enjoyment each horse offers to their respective fans.
12 Aug 2010 at 02:07 am | #
This is now the second year of Thoroughbred racing having what turf writers have deemed necessary for racing to return to its formal glory: a ‘star’.
To turf writers joy, the industry is blessed with having two ‘stars’, thus the industry should be on its way back to the former golden years of racing.
I read just this morning in Daily Racing Form that nationwide handle was down 2% in July, compared to last year, and nationwide 7.14%; that Churchill’s income for its second quarter is down 10.7%; and that Saratoga’s numbers are slightly down. Also, that Suffolk Downs will soon be laying off workers, because they won’t be getting slots soon; and, that Monmouth Park, with its shortened meet has enjoyed an increase in handle twice that of last year - but, no mention, conveniently, of the fact that purses have increased far greater (funded by casino and state doles) and that the track is far from being profitable.
So, it seems that Rachel and Zen, now having been racing for two years, haven’t done much to improve racing’s lot. And, it is painfully clear that the problems facing racing are being ignored by turf writers and commentators at this website, all preferring to dwell in fantasy land.
After skimming through the comments regarding Rachel and Zen, I wonder just how many of the commentors actually support racing? What’s that you say? How many actually wagered on a horse this week; how many have supported another racetrack other than Saratoga, Keeneland, Churchill, and Del Mar; how many have been to a racetrack during the week; how many have an ADW account; and, how many know which end of a horse eats?
12 Aug 2010 at 02:20 am | #
Another day, another story about Z-FRAUD connections…
Who cares already let Cali Bogart her all to themselves..
I’ve got the memories of Ruffian, Genuine Risk, Go For Wand and me of course…
Hey today let’s talk about Randy Romero and his Hall of Fame career…
Maybe Frankie said it best..
And now, the end is near,
And so I face the final curtain.
My friends, I’ll say it clear;
I’ll state my case of which I’m certain.
I’ve lived a life that’s full -
I’ve travelled each and every highway.
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Regrets? I’ve had a few,
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.
I planned each charted course -
Each careful step along the byway,
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Yes, there were times, I’m sure you knew,
When I bit off more than I could chew,
But through it all, when there was doubt,
I ate it up and spit it out.
I faced it all and I stood tall
And did it my way.
I’ve loved, I’ve laughed and cried,
I’ve had my fill - my share of losing.
But now, as tears subside,
I find it all so amusing.
To think I did all that,
And may I say, not in a shy way -
Oh no. Oh no, not me.
I did it my way.
For what is a man? What has he got?
If not himself - Then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows
And did it my way.
Yes, it was my way.
12 Aug 2010 at 02:24 am | #
Totally appropriate remembrance for Randy’s induction tomorrow; good job P.E.
12 Aug 2010 at 03:28 am | #
I’m with Wendell.
How many columns do you need to write about Zenyatta, John??
Please, enough already.
The subject has become very boring........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
12 Aug 2010 at 03:29 am | #
The excuse for the west coast whiners is that the competition in the east can also come west to challenge Z. WEhy would they do that when Del-Mar is still having trouble with their poly track and Santa Anita might have to move their meet to Holly wood because of trouble with their surface. Why would any trainer in the east want to ship west to compete on plastic tracks that are having all kinds of surface problems.
When the history of Zenyatta is discussed after she retires, the questions of how she wouldn’t ship will leave a question mark about how great she really was.
12 Aug 2010 at 03:52 am | #
Right on Mr. Pricci. Finally, the sportswriters are getting it right. No one is digging Zenyatta, but she has to be “campaigned” as a great horse to be taken as a great. You will still have those who DO NOT ‘understand and blast you. These are he ones to just ignore. They want to go along with the crowd. Mr. Pricci, do you remember a 2 year old named Favorite Trick --- Horse of the Year. The general public can be controled and swayed, after all that is what marketing is all about. Stick to your guns and don’t let the “little” people who are lead by the nose influence you. Zenyatta’s only obstcalwe to greatness is her owners. Leave Sherrifs alone. I have always said, “a horses greatest enemy is it’s owner”!
12 Aug 2010 at 06:14 am | #
Mr. Corrow,
I once was a regular poster on the DRF forum when it was in existence. Great board with a bunch of loons who enjoyed racing and stating their opinions. We had this guy on the board who reminds me of you. This guy was the pro who could tell you all about the set ups of why and how after the race was run. We then had a contest where each participant was giving a sum of $100 to bet as they chose with a time limit of one month. This guy blew through his pot in one day just like a degenerate you see at the track all over America.
You see Mr. Corrow, with this internet thing you can be anybody you want to be. Quite frankly I’m tired of your constant repetition of the same record! You offer nothing other than pointing out what is wrong with the industry.
Having supposedly been involved with the industry for all these years you claim how about offering up solutions?
As for playing tracks I know my limitations and stay with the NYRA circuit because I’m not as smart as you and I don’t have the time or the bank roll to play all the circuits throughout the country.
One more thing. Since you’re such a seasoned professional how about you take a turf race at Saratoga with a full field and analyze the race and give the board the cold triple?
Time to show us the money Mr. Corrow.
Have a great day.
Tim
12 Aug 2010 at 07:36 am | #
Well said John. Everyone knows the campaigns for Zemyatta over the last two years were laughable. It’s all about the connections’ egos. She will never be considered among the greatest because they refused to ship her and run against the best. They have disappointed racing fans and let the sport down. Sad.
12 Aug 2010 at 07:40 am | #
Zenyatta could already have HOY sewed up if her owners didn’t value the title of Rock Star so highly. The blogging about Zenyatta would now be whether or not she could have beaten the all time greats. She may be that good.
Instead we must hope that her connections don’t opt for the Ladies Classic or that Zenyatta isn’t scratched if the track isn’t fast, or whatever.
If she’d been campaigned as one of the Greats, if only!
12 Aug 2010 at 07:58 am | #
Brigitte,
If she’d be campaigned as one of the greats, perhaps we would have found out she really wasn’t??
12 Aug 2010 at 09:36 am | #
Now, how about that Buddy Biancalana ?
12 Aug 2010 at 10:39 am | #
JRP,
First off, as ageneral matter, I respect you as a writer. You deserve kudos for campaigning against the NYRA detention barns. Good work on that.
But when it comes to the topic of Zenyatta, to quote the Gipper, well, there you go AGAIN. On this topic, you are becoming a parody of yourself. This may be news to you, but the rest of the country doesn’t give a damn about New York.
JRP, do you suffer from amnesia? Zenyatta showed up in April for the Apple Blossom. Jess Jackson initially committed to the race. A date concession was granted. $5 million was on the table. It was on DIRT, JRP. And then Cabernet Jess walked away. Why don’t you have the journalistic integrity to include that significant fact in your column? Does it undercut your diatribe that much? The fact is that the Zenyatta’s connections kept their end of the bargain. Jess Jackson BACKED OUT. In light of that duck, Zenyatta’s connections, have no obligation to chase Rachel (who hasn’t run in a Grade 1 stakes race all year) all over the East Coast.
Personally, I think Zenyatta would have liked Belmont. It has her preferred surface, dirt, and she would like the extra long stretch run. ON THE OTHER HAND, there is no sense shipping her if it will result in her being less than her sharpest for for Breeders’ Cup Classic at Churchill Downs. I think it’s preferable that she run her penultimate race in California, where she is appreciated. New Yorkers simply don’t deserve her.
The fact of the matter is that East Coasters cannot accept that a superior horse can come from Southern California. And they grow especially apoplectic when that horse’s connections do not give a damn about New York. Personally, I can appreciate a horse on the opposite coast. Ruffian is my all-time favorite filly; I do not hold it against her that she never ventured outside of NY/NJ.
Another thing, JRP, I am sick and tired of you parroting East Coast talking points about the caliber of competition Zenyatta has faced. First off, regarding 2009, there is no sane, rational basis to take issue with it, because at the end of the day, it prepared her for the Breeders’ Cup Classic. Period. End of story.
Also, regarding her 2009 campaign: her Five wins included four Grade 1’s, and the Breeders’ Cup Classic over the best 2009 field of males assembled. Zenyatta ran past winners of the Arlington Million, Jockey Club Gold Cup and Belmont, Travers, Pacific Classic, and Kentucky Derby, as well as the top European male horse then in training. She crushed ‘em.
Second, you imply that Zenyatta has not defeated any significant fillies or mares. You are factually mistaken. Instead of parroting East Coast urban legend, let’s review who Zenyatta has beaten: Among the fillies and mares: Zenyatta has defeated two Breeders Cup’ Distaff Champions, Ginger Punch and Life is Sweet. She beat Ginger Punch twice, including once on dirt; she beat Life is Sweet three times. Zenyatta beat Music Note, a five-time Grade 1 winner. She had also defeated seven other Grade 1 winners: Hystericalady, Santa Teresita, Tough Tizs Sis, Cocoa Beach, Romance is Diane, Carriage Trail, and Sealey Hill. (After Zenyatta defeated her in the 2008 Vanity, Baffert took Tough Tizs Sis to Belmont for the Ruffian Handicap (G1), where she won by 12 and 1/4 lengths in record time.)
So among fillies and mares, Zenyatta has defeated ten Grade 1 winners, including two Breeders’ Cup Distaff Champions. She also defeated St Trinians, a Grade 2 winner who is better than any female Rachel has ever faced. She also defeated Zardana, who earlier in the year defeated Rachel.
Steve Haskin recently pointed out that, should Zenyatta win the Breeders’ Cup Classic, nobody will ever care about her campaign leading up to it, except perhaps parochial New Yorkers like yourself.
I just do not understand your parochial mentality. If Zenyatta were based in New York, she would literally be the Second Coming. But in column after column, from EVERY writer on THIS website, al we get is bash bash bash bash bash Zenyatta. Bash bash bash bash bash bash John Shirreffs. Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Jerry Moss. Plastic Plastic Plastic Plastic Plastic. New York New York New York New York York New York. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. It would be nice if you employed another writer to provide another perspective.
I mean, good grief, you are a good writer, but demean yourself with all the Zenyatta bashing. Her connections are not interested in appeasing the East Coast turf writers who robbed her of Horse of the Year (or at least a deserving one-half share of it). Get over it.
Finally, Bill Dwyre, a longtime horse racing writer for the LA Times, took aim in his column last weekend at the East Coast turf writers who harbor such animus against Zenyatta. (Link here: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/06/sports/la-sp-dwyre-zenyatta-20100807). Money quote: “No, she has never lost to another race horse. Her defeat was at the hands of a bunch of sportswriters, many of whom may have had fogged brains from summer humidity in the East.”
After reading that, JRP, you came to mind. Especially the part about “fogged brains.”
You are the executive editor of this website. Please get another writer, and introduce a more balanced perspective.
12 Aug 2010 at 11:02 am | #
You have sum nerve mentioning “provincial” when the list of NY based champions who left the region less then Woody Allen is endless.
What an incredible double standard the NY based press is applying here. Change the location of her accomplishments with NY tracks and you would be bowing at her knees. She has shipped more then Personal Ensign as you’re aware, but I’m guessing you weren’t advocating Shug bring her west of the Mississippi.
Enough already; we get it…rational discussion has been suspended and replaced with a Big Apple echo chamber.
12 Aug 2010 at 11:08 am | #
Tim: My above comment merely repeats facts, as presented in today’s Racing Form, and conclusions based on those facts (you know, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck).
You want solutions? I have been giving them for a couple of years at this website: a) start promoting Thoroughbred racing as a gambling alternative to casino and sports wagering; b) stop calling Thoroughbred racing a sport, when its attraction is the betting window; c) have turf writers stop walking in the shoes of a few trainers, and suggest that all racing, everywhere, at the racetrack nearest you, is just as enjoyable as at Saratoga or Del Mar; d) that no person on this planet can tell the difference between a claiming race and a stake race as it is being run, so stop promoting just a few stake races; and e) of course, lower takeout, improve facilities, charge less for food/beverage.
You want me to analyze a race and give you the triple? What do you think I am God? Even he (she?) couldn’t do that! Again, at this website I have repeated many times that I am no better a handicapper today than I was fifty years ago - simply to many variables involved in each race. I manage to reduce the probable winner down to three or four entrants in most races, thus the pick threes have become the most significant wager for me.
BTW, I have managed to qualify for the National Handicap Championship in Las Vegas. Have you?
In conclusion, I know what I am talking about; I wish others did.
12 Aug 2010 at 11:17 am | #
Gary Walker,
At the pinnacle racehorses are judged by the races they won and the opponents they beat. Zenyatta was a Champion filly and a fabulous closer but what raised the possibility that she could be one of the Greats was her dominant performance in the Classic. It looked so easy! Without that win how many HOY votes would she have got? Would we be talking about her? And wouldn’t we be talking about her if she’d lost the 2009 Clement Hirsch but won the Classic?
Why on earth don’t Zenyatta’s connections want to take on the world with a horse that gets the classic distance and runs well on dirt? Maybe because they are showbiz and Rock Star status with an aura of invincibility is perfection to them (and to many others, judging by the blogs). I don’t know about perfection. Living things aren’t perfect. But a great athlete shouldn’t be held back because they might not win.
12 Aug 2010 at 11:54 am | #
You hear all the time how boxing and horse racing were Top 3 sports 50 years ago. Now they are both niche sports where the biggest star in each is undefeated and goes out of their way to duck any meaningful competition.
12 Aug 2010 at 12:00 pm | #
John,
You can beg all you want.
You can throw out red meat to all the Zenyatta/California/synthetic surface haters you want.
But guess what - Zenyatta already is considered the greatest American female racehorse ever.
John, it’s too late. And please tell that to Bill and Vic.
The train has already left the station. Zenyatta is the greatest American female racehorse of all time.
Just check the lastest poll from the Daily Racing Form and Bloodhorse.
It’s too late John.
When she wins the race that was named in honor of her - can you imagine the write-ups in the press. That’s when the real coverage will begin.
Then, can you imagine the write-ups in the national press leading up to the Breeders’ Cup Classic. It will be like nothing you ever imagined.
And guess what? You and most of the east coast turf writers as well as some of the ‘hating’ east coast fans will be left out.
Can you imagine the roar of the crowd at Churchill Downs, whom by the way, there talk that they might exceed the attendance for the Derby (150,000) when Zenyatta starts making her move around the turn picking away such east coast tomato cans like Quality Road and Blame and then lowers herself like a tiger after her prey, lengthens her stride and pulls away for the historic win.
Then waiting for all the east coast tomato cans to leave the racetrack Zenyatta comes back to the entire 150,000 crowd giving a standing ovation.
Then Zenyatta, as usual, goes down the length of the stretch and salutes the fans, which they in turn just gush out love.
Man, what a sight.
Front page on the sports page. Guaranteed.
12 Aug 2010 at 12:01 pm | #
#18: The only ducking last year was in the Breeders’ Cup Classic, the biggest race this Sport has to offer. Zenyatta showed up. The “Horse of the Year” did not.
The only ducking this year was at the Apple Blossom. Zenyatta showed up. The “Horse of the Year” did not.
And it is almost certain that Zenyatta will show up November at Churchill Downs.
12 Aug 2010 at 12:18 pm | #
I’ll admit I’m baffled by the remarks by John Shirreffs: “If we go to New York, that will mean she’ll be away from the barn for over a month,”
Why does that require being away for a month? Horses can ship in days before a race, run, and be back in California a day later. This isn’t a railroad nation any more. Fellow California-based trainers like Bob Baffert have runners who fly into and back out.
I don’t recall the aborted Louisville race on Oaks Day in 2009 her staying around Churchill for a month.
In terms of a rigorous campaign there wasn’t one soft spot that Bud Delp entered Spectacular Bid into even during his 4-yr old undefeated run - save for the walkover. Delp ran him in the Strub Series which by today’s standards was in rapid succession. That is what is expected of a trainer and owner with a rock star horse.
12 Aug 2010 at 12:27 pm | #
#21: “In terms of a rigorous campaign there wasn’t one soft spot that Bud Delp entered Spectacular Bid into even during his 4-yr old undefeated run - save for the walkover. Delp ran him in the Strub Series which by today’s standards was in rapid succession. That is what is expected of a trainer and owner with a rock star horse.”
Your comparison is not apt. The Bid ran prior to the creation of the Breeders’ Cup World Championships. The purpose of the Breeders’ Cup is to settle any disputes regarding who is the best horse. You cannot fault Zenyatta’s connections for structuring her campaign to make her as fit and sharp as possible for the Breeders’ Cup Classic.
In addition, they did ship Zenyatta to Oaklawn for the Apple Blossom; Rachel Alexandra did not show up. So Zenyatta’s connections, following Rachel’s no-show, are supposed to spend the rest of the year chasing Rachel all around the East Coast?
I also like the double standard, from JRP: the onus is on Zenyatta to ship East (which she did, back in April for the Apple Blossom), but Rachel has no obligation to ship West. Gimme a break.
12 Aug 2010 at 12:40 pm | #
Jim C.,
Regarding your comment number 14, where it says, “(Belnont) has (Zenyatta’s) preferred surface, dirt, and she would like the extra long stretch run.”
Just thought you’d want to know, since you seem to appreciate factuality, that Belmont has the SHORTEST stretch of the NY dirt tracks.
Aqueduct main: 1156 feet
Saratoga: 1144 feet
Belmont: 1097 feet
I couldn’t find the length of the Aqueduct inner dirt stretch on short notice, but it is the longest of the four because of its narrow turns and elongated rubber band layout.
Just trying to help you keep it real.
12 Aug 2010 at 12:41 pm | #
Sorry for the typo. It should read Belmont not Belnont.
12 Aug 2010 at 12:57 pm | #
Trying to make a point about Z is like arguing about religion, logic need not apply. There is no way Z will win the BC Classic. I would be surprised if she even shows up. She can continue to beat the same bums in Cali but guess what? The empress has no clothes and more and more people are realizing it. Is this the campaign to showcase her this year? She will never be horse of the year unless she wins the Classic and there is no way she will do that. Dirt horses went 0 for 43 in last years Poly-cup. I hope the Zoonies put their money where their big mouths are. I will be betting against here is by some miracle she shows up.
12 Aug 2010 at 01:06 pm | #
Hello to all--pro and con--fair and foul...just one point of interpretation of Mr. Pricci’s column. He is not, at least the way I read it, denigrating Zenyatta in favor of rachel Alexandra. He is commenting on the campaign laid out by the managers of Zenyatta. All the space devoted to who is ducking whom this year misses the point! This article is not comparing the two horses. If one wants to critique the piece, it would be a more powerful argument if it took aim at the heart of the matter...Peace out.
12 Aug 2010 at 01:07 pm | #
Nick (#23):
Thanks for raising a fact-based issue. I wish there was more of that on this website.
To clarify: I was referring to Belmont in comparison to the SoCal tracks because there had been some speculation that Zenyatta could run in the Beldame, which is run on the same day as the Lady’s Secret at Oak Tree. Belmont’s final stretch (i.e., distance from last turn to finish) is 1,097 feet, which longer than the three tracks Zenyatta has run 16 of her 18 races:
Hollywood Park: 991 feet
Santa Anita: 990 feet
Del Mar: 919 feet
I think Zenyatta would benefit from a dirt track and a longer distance. Oaklawn has a 1,155 feet final stretch. Zenyatta won there twice, by 4.5 lengths, and 4 and 1/4 lengths, respectively.
I think Zenyatta would like Belmont, but obviously the goal now—notwithstanding JRP’s hectoring—is to maximize her sharpness and fitness for the Breeders’ Cup Classic; Churchill Downs’ final stretch is 1,234.5 feet.
12 Aug 2010 at 01:07 pm | #
#22 - Jim C. “The Bid ran prior to the creation of the Breeders’ Cup World Championships.”
True statement. It would be foolish however to suggest that the Marlboro Cup and Jockey Club Gold Cup (at 1 1/2 miles no less) together weren’t a better test of older males then the BCC represents. The Marlboro is of course gone and the JCGC was marginalized with distance reduction and the BCC itself.
Bid, for example, ran in the JCGC losing to Affirmed by 3/4 of a length October 6th then was entered and won in the Meadowland Cup October 17th.
12 Aug 2010 at 01:09 pm | #
Ok I’m fine with staying in Cali…
But how come Z-FRAUD connections DUCKED the Hollywood Gold Cup and Pacific Classic?
12 Aug 2010 at 01:18 pm | #
#25: “Trying to make a point about Z is like arguing about religion, logic need not apply.”
Religion, huh? Interesting how you mention that topic. Religion is all we get from the East Coast turf media regarding whoever the latest hype horse is.
Saturday, for two hours leading up to the Whitney, the NYRA TV commentators were literally singing hosannas, over and over, about how Quality Road was the Second Coming. It was even too much for Lenny Shulman, a native New Yorker, who took a swipe at the pre-Whitney NYRA Liturgy on Roger Stein’s radio show.
Quality Road is a great horse, to be sure. But he was exposed for the miler that he is. Blame was very impressive, closing into those soft fractions, without being whipped once. But the Whitney outcome resulted in a defrocking of the NYRA High Priests.
12 Aug 2010 at 01:44 pm | #
#29.
First off, Personal Ensign was a great mare. I don’t hold it against her that she only ventured once outside NY/NJ. No more than I hold it against Ruffian, my favorite filly of all-time, that she never ran outside NY/NJ.
“Z-FRAUD”? C’mon, keep it classy. You do a disservice to the rest of the rest of your fellow Zenyatta detractors by name-calling. Keep it factual. At the very least, criticize the connections, not the horse. Good grief.
Zenyatta didn’t “duck” the Hollywood Gold Cup or Pacific Classic. For the factual record, she beat the winner of the Hollywood Gold Cup, Awesome Gem, in the Breeders’ Cup Classic. (Sure, Rail Trip was the favorite, but she’ll meet him in the Breeders’ Cup Classic; he’s a terrific gelding).
Re: the Pacific Classic, it doesn’t fit into her training schedule. The goal is to be as sharp and fit as possible for the Breeders’ Cup Classic.
12 Aug 2010 at 02:02 pm | #
#19/John,
I’ve heard that if Zenyatta is undefeated going into the Classic, Churchill Downs is preparing for a crowd in excess of 200,000!
12 Aug 2010 at 02:04 pm | #
Did you catch the new Zenyatta song already out there on the airwaves.
It’s #8 on billboard and rising.
12 Aug 2010 at 02:17 pm | #
Jim C.
I did say Z-FRAUD CONNECTIONS it’s them that make the decisions not Z herself who I’m sure would want to be tested against the best not Jerry Jam nags.
If you want to keep it classy why did you bring up FOGGED BRAINS about Preach?
Im surprised at Jerome M. a native New Yorker wouldn’t want to come back and put to rest any arguments about greatest filly or horse of all time.
If the Breeders Cup that I won at Churchill was at Cali that year I would have come, Shug has sent horses there many times when he thinks he has a shot.
Yes I stayed in New York mostly, but at least I tried the colts(Whitney) and the historic Beldame against better competition than Jerry Jam. nags. It just seems many good horses are staying away because of poly.
There’s always going to be an east/west argument on who’s the best and I think it’s still America where your allowed an opinion. My opinion is that PERSONAL ENSIGN is better than ZENYATTA
12 Aug 2010 at 02:29 pm | #
31-Jim C.,
Your’re right. “Z-FRAUD” is classless mentioned by some jerk.
Pay no attention.
12 Aug 2010 at 02:37 pm | #
Eric,
Thank you for actually reading ALL the words in this piece. Believe I used the word great with respect to Zenyatta, the horse, several times.
Jim C,
Would love to hire another turf writer. Are you volunteering to pick up the tab?
Also, Mr. Christine lives in Santa Barbara, California. And Mr. Zast resides in Chicago, making me the only East Coast-biased turf writer on HRI.
Thank you all for your passion. The game needs people like you.
JP
12 Aug 2010 at 02:45 pm | #
WOW #35 is John your name or is it toilet?
Z-FRAUD CONNECTIONS(owner and trainer) is a play on a joke that Joe Torre said about A-ROD calling him A-FRAUD, It’s a New York thing I guess we’re more thick skinned than you left coasters.
12 Aug 2010 at 02:47 pm | #
JRP,
Your’re mistaken. It’s not called passion.
It’s called rage.
12 Aug 2010 at 03:14 pm | #
Thank you Mr. Pricci, it needed to be said.
What a travesty of a campaign.
12 Aug 2010 at 03:58 pm | #
#34: “If you want to keep it classy why did you bring up FOGGED BRAINS about Preach?”
If you read the full post (#14), it was clear that I was incorporating Bill Dwyre’s exact quote, which was a playful jibe at the East Coast turf media. I was using it in a good-natured way to respond to JRP’s column. I also prefaced all my remarks by saying that I respect JRP as a writer, and pointed out the good he has done for the Sport in connection with the NYRA detention barn. But JRP makes my blood boil when the topic of Zenyatta is raised.
#36 (JRP): Let me think about that. I have a day job, and am only a part-time racing fan/horseplayer. I envy guys like you, or anyone else on any level in this Sport, who do it for a living.
Also, to be clear, re: East Coast v. West Coast. While I moved out to SoCal only five years ago, I am a native of the South Side of Chicago. I don’t consider myself a “Left Coast” guy: my favorite team is still the White Sox. And I don’t think I have any “West Coast” bias when it comes to horse racing; I just know greatness when I see it, whether it be Ruffian or Personal Ensign, or Barbaro, or Zenyatta.
And JRP: why do you keep ducking the Apple Blossom issue?
#39: “Thank you Mr. Pricci, it needed to be said.
What a travesty of a campaign.”
Are you referring to the Horse of the Year ducking Zenyatta in the Apple Blossom in April, not running in a Grade 1 so far this year, and extracting a date and distance concession from Monmouth for her last race?
12 Aug 2010 at 04:13 pm | #
Let’s review this, Personal Ensign and Ruffian never left NY/NJ except for PE’s BC. Should we downgrade their legacy because of this? Hmmm? Did west-coast writers bemoan their campaigns? Did ANY of you plead their connections to send them Hollywood Park so the great fans of Cali could see them run?
DOUBLE STANDARD. If your basis for NOT voting for Zenyatta HOY is because you can’t stand California or her connections, then you don’t have the professionalism for your job. Furthermore, Z’s connections reevaluated the travelling accross the country part after the Apple Blossom. They decided it wasn’t in their horse’s best interest. Quality Road is a lousy shipper, do you hold that against him?
The east-coast bias is showing it’s venom.
12 Aug 2010 at 04:14 pm | #
discourse is good. Rachel had a better campaign in 2009 and that is why many including me thought she should be HOTY. I am not on the east coast. If Blame runs the table who will be HOTY? What if Rachel wins the Classic? There is no east coast bias. The only ‘bias’ is that they actually saw Rachel’s races and it is obvious many have not.
12 Aug 2010 at 04:38 pm | #
The absolute best thing that could possibly happen to the sport of horse racing in 2010 would be for Zenyatta to maintain her undefeated record leading into the BC Classic and then win the big race and retire with an unblemished record of 20-0. The media buildup to the main event would be like nothing this sport has experienced in decades and would include the mainstream sports media. And of course the crowd size at Churchill would be dramatically boosted by the media attention and the chance to witness history in the making.
How strange and sad that many of the turf writers and so many so-called lovers of the sport seem to be rooting for anything but this scenario. At least Zenyatta’s connections see the big picture and if they are correct then the entire sport will owe them a debt of gratitude for not only doing what was best for Zenyatta but in the end what was also best for the sport.
12 Aug 2010 at 04:49 pm | #
Mea Culpa all,
Bill christine lives in Santa Monica, not Santa Barbara, which I also believe is in California.
No question RA backed out of Apple Blossom. Ducked is not accurate. Remember the rainy winter in New Orleans? Believe they had record or near-record rainfall in a short period of time, as RA was getting ready for Oaklawn.
She missed training at the wrong time AND probably had not recovered from the Woodward, anyway.
Her HOY schedule was the most ambitious campaign waged by a 3 year old filly in the modern era. If you disagree, name another.
If you choose not to believe the above, that’s OK, too.
Thanks, JP
12 Aug 2010 at 06:07 pm | #
The thing that bothers me about the Zenyatta debate is that many of her backers make it seem like she was robbed of the 2009 HOTY award, dismissing Rachel Alexandra’s campaign. I believed that RA deservedly won the title based on what was a more ambitious campaign but would not have been bent out of shape had Zenyatta been voted the title.
And for those who were not around during Ruffian’s time or who have developed amnesia: In the 1970s before the advent of the Breeders Cup, the racing world largely revolved around NY racing, which is one of the reasons Ruffian didn’t have to leave (aside from her being based there). You almost HAD to race in NY in order to be a champion. The more you raced there the more it burnished your reputation. I also can’t help but think about John Henry, largely a turf horse, who could have stayed in his barn in 1981 and with the right result in the Jockey Club Gold Cup gotten HOTY. But his owner shipped for the 1 1/2 mile race on dirt and won. Although I remember ripping up my tickets, my admiration for him and his connections soared, unlike Zenyatta’s.
12 Aug 2010 at 06:25 pm | #
1. Christine lives in the People’s Republic of Santa Monica? Well that explains a lot. Yes, it is in California, JRP. By the way, where exactly is Saratoga? I thought it had something to do with the Revolutionary War; figured it might be somewhere in Massachusetts - you know Sam Adams, Paul Revere, etc.?
2. JRP - this goes right to the heart of the issue. So please allow me to refute your diatribe against her 2010 campaign.
I raised the Apple Blossom issue not so much to question Jess Jackson, but to point out that Zenyatta committing to the Apple Blossom to face Rachel, and then showing up at Oaklawn, was part of the 2010 campaign that you have been hectoring her connections about in your column. You cannot have any qualms with this aspect of her 2010 campaign.
To review the 2010 campaign: Zenyatta FIRST ran in the Santa Margarita (G1) on March 13 at Santa Anita. This was a G1 prep race for the showdown with Rachel at the Apple Blossom. This was Zenyatta’s first race off a layoff, since the Breeders’ Cup in March. She gave a 15 pound weight concession to the runner up, and a 16 pound concession to the show horse. There is absolutely no sane, rational basis to criticize her for entering this race. Where should she have run? The Big Cap? Aqueduct? Hawthorne? Gimme a break. (Don’t forget, St Trinians was the favorite in the Big Cap; Zenyatta faced her later in the year).
Her second race was April 9 at the Apple Blossom. On what basis do you criticize her connections for following through on their commitment to Oaklawn? Please ask the people who operate Oaklawn what they felt about Zenyatta showing up to their race track. Their telephone number is (501) 623-4088. Not sure if you’ve ever heard or been to Arkansas, so let me help you out. Your former junior federal Senator in New York (you know the one from Chicago, who grew up a “Yankees fan” - typical Cubs fan idiot) is married to the former Governor of Arkansas.
Zenyatta’s THIRD race was in the Vanity Handicap at Hollywood Park on June 13, 2010. Apparently she had not shipped well returning from Oaklawn, so they skipped the Stephen Foster at Churchill Downs. Are they to be blamed for this? Really? So it’s OK for Cabernet Jess to pull Rachel out of the Apple Blossom, but no OK for Zenyatta to show up at the Apple Blossom, win, and skip the Foster? Gimme a break, JRP.
The Vanity is the top race of the Hollywood Spring meet open to fillies and mares. Rachel would have been a welcome addition (some days the Hollywood Cushion track plays faster than Churchill dirt, by the way). Zenyatta was burdened with a 129 pound impost, giving 8 pounds to St Trinians, who herself had been favored against the boys in the Big Cap. At the time, St. Trinians had been ranked No. 3 nationally by the DRF in the older female division. Also entered in that race is Zardana, who earlier in the year defeated the reigning Horse of the Year. That’s a dam good field.
So you blame her connections for entering her in the Vanity? Where should she have run? Was she supposed to have gone to Churchill to face Rachel at the Fleur di Lis? Or should she have waited to face Rachel at Monmouth in an ungraded Stakes race? Or should she have entered the Hollywood Gold Cup? (Don’t forget, the 2010 HGC winner, Awesome Gem, was annihilated by Zenyatta in the Breeders’ Cup Classic.) Again, gimme a break.
Her FOURTH race was last Saturday, August 7, in the Clement L. Hirsch (G1) at Del Mar. I am not going to kid you and say this was the greatest field ever assembled. But it is the top female main track race at the Del Mar meet. What was she supposed to do - wait 3 weeks to ship across the country to Saratoga for the Ruffian, to face a horse whose connections ducked her earlier in the year, race in front of a bunch of people that would not appreciate her, and which would just screw up her training schedule for the Breeders’ Cup Classic? Or was she supposed to face Quality Road, Blame, and Musket Man now, instead of at the Breeders’ Cup Classic? Why is Zenyatta always the one obligated to ship?
Also, let’ not forget that she faced a decent mare in Rinterval in the Hirsch. Rinterval. a polytrack specialist, lost by a nose to Informed Decision, the reigning Breeders’ Cup Distaff Sprint Champion, at Arlington on July 4. In the Hirsch, Rinterval was only stretching out from 7 to 8.5 furlongs, and controlled an absurdly slow pace (first half mile in 50 and 3/5 seconds). Not many closers could have beat Rinterval over that surface, at that distance, and closing into such snail-like fractions.
Reasonable minds can differ over whether Zenyatta’s penultimate race should be in the Lady’s Secret (at Oak Tree), or in the Beldame at Belmont. But if the goal is to be sharp and fit for the Breeders’ Cup Classic, there is no sane, rational basis to criticize her connections, unless that it is, you think running in New York is more important than being ready for the Breeders’ Cup Classic.
As Steve Haskin has said, should Zenyatta do well in the BC Classic, all this talk of her “weak 2010 campaign” (which I have refuted above), will all be forgotten.
3. “No question RA backed out of Apple Blossom. Ducked is not accurate. Remember the rainy winter in New Orleans? Believe they had record or near-record rainfall in a short period of time, as RA was getting ready for Oaklawn. She missed training at the wrong time AND probably had not recovered from the Woodward, anyway.”
What? It takes six months to recover from the Woodward?
“Her HOY schedule was the most ambitious campaign waged by a 3 year old filly in the modern era.”
I agree. But by September, Rachel was physically spent. She was dead tired after holding off the males in the Woodward. Zenyatta, on the other hand, absolutely crushed in the final stretch the best field of males assembled for any race in 2009. If Zenyatta were based in New York, the HOY vote would have been nearly unanimous in her favor. Whatever the case, Zenyatta was at least deserving of a one-half share of the award.
12 Aug 2010 at 06:29 pm | #
#45:
1. Ruffian is my favorite filly of all-time.
2. I take nothing away from Rachel’s 2009 campaign.
3. Yes, Zenyatta was robbed of HOY, or at least a one-half share of it. The voting is dominated by a bloc of parochial East Coast scribes. Ask the Europeans who they think was most deserving of 2009 Horse of the Year.
12 Aug 2010 at 06:46 pm | #
JRP:
I forgot to mention. This part of your column really ticked me off:
“As a sports fan and lover of this greatest game played outdoors, I can no longer root for Zenyatta’s human connections and, by extension, their mare to win #19. They had a chance to perhaps make a small difference but instead placed greater emphasis on their own local celebrity and “the streak.””
That’s garbage. John Shirreffs is a low-key, understated, sweet guy, who has brought a lot of joy to a lot of people. He may be a tad overprotective of his mare, but who wouldn’t be? Can you fault him for that. Notably, he runs an honest barn. But you have a fit, why, because he won’t bring her to New York?
Now let’s look at the human connections of the other horse: You have Jess Jackson, who didn’t have the decency to recognize Hal Wiggins when accepting the Eclipse Awards. Plural. He had two opportunities to do so.
Also, the trainer, Steve Asmussen, has a checkered past with drug suspensions. I know Asmussen is not dumb enough to use drugs now, but facts are facts. Let put all our chips on the table.
Pletcher has a checkered past, too. But no, you’d rather root against John Shirreffs, because you’re so bitter that Zenyatta will not ship to New York. Good grief, JRP. I thought you were a better judge of character than that. Go ahead: root for the Amussens and Pletchers of the world; root for Rick Dutrow and Doug O’Neill and Jeff Mullins while you’re at it. Keep cheering on the questionable characters that sully the Sport.
12 Aug 2010 at 06:50 pm | #
JRP,
“Her HOY schedule was the most ambitious campaign waged by a 3 year old filly in the modern era.”
Ambitious in terms of what? Strength, talent and class of horses she faced?
The horses Rachel Alexandra beat were a fraud and exposed Rachel Alexandra as a fraudulent winner of the HOY.
In the Haskell, Rachel Alexandra beat the winner of just 1 Grade 1 race.
In the Woodword, Rachel Alexandra beat the winners of 3 Grade 1 races.
In the Preakness, Rachel Alexandra beat the winners of 4 Grade 1 races.
In Rachel Alexandra’s other races last year she beat horses like Stone Legacy, Afleet Deceit and Flying Spur - all horses that have never won a Grade 1 race.
Matter of fact, I can’t think of another Grade 1 winning horse she beat last year.
Zenyatta, on the other hand, beat multiple Grade 1 winning horse Cocoa Beach and Grade 1 winning horse Life Is Sweet prior to the Classic.
In the Classic she beat the winners of 23 Grade 1 races.
Zenyatta wins the talent, class and strength contest 26 to 8.
Please, Rachel Alexandra races last year were in name only. Her body of work is still short of Zenyatta’s.
12 Aug 2010 at 07:13 pm | #
Start at Churchill Downs and go East and you won’t find a sports writer that has a clue about race horses. Everyone of them are 100% liberal no nothings.
Buddy
12 Aug 2010 at 07:45 pm | #
Buddy (#50),
Reminds me of the story Penny Chenery recounted. A sportswriter was interviewing her before one of Secretariat’s Triple Crown races. He asked her how old Secretariat was. Heh.
12 Aug 2010 at 08:17 pm | #
It is sad and pathetic that most racing “fans” today are satisfied and even overjoyed with 5-race or 6-race campaigns. These fans are like sniveling Dickensian children begging, “please sir, may I have some...more?”. They accept and promote the insanely false excuses of trainers who constantly wax about “freshening” and “resting” their exhausted horses who have rarely raced.
One merely has to consider horses from over a decade or two ago to see that good horses campaigned much more frequently without the incidence of ill-effects seen today.
It is appalling that the abundance of “Grade 1’s” and the Breeders’ Cup have ruined, ironically, the competitiveness and sportsmanship that once existed in racing.
To restore some excitement to this formerly great sport, there should be, for starters, some HOY guidelines:
No horse shall be named HOY if it races fewer than 9 times. ( Ferris Beuller: “… nine times...”
)
No horse shall be named HOY if s/he races exclusively in one circuit.
Preference will be given to a horse based on the number of times s/he has:
- broken or equaled a track record
- won by margins of 10 or more lengths
As things are now, we are approaching (or have reached) the day when a horse will race three times, roll the dice in the BC “Classic”, and, if lucky, be deemed the Horse of the Year. What “battered-race-fan” is happy with that?
I could never have predicted this but I’ve been driven back to harness racing, where the top horses race frequently and face each other regularly.
12 Aug 2010 at 08:26 pm | #
Fine, John C. Let’s add to that list of yours:
No horse shall be named Horse of the Year unless they race and win in a Breeders’ Cup race.
12 Aug 2010 at 08:35 pm | #
Jim C is on fire, kudos to you Jim!!
I want to make a point about the Apple Blossom. Rachel didn’t ‘back out’. If you watched the horse of the year ceremony that took place in California, Jess Jackson said in an interview that Rachel ‘wont be ready’ for the AB. Somehow between then and there, people got the idea that she had this race on her schedule and then just decided to not show up.
I think the confusion lies in the fact that Rachel raced in a horse race in March. Everyone assumed that this was a ‘prep race’ for the AB so when Rachel didnt’ show up at Oaklawn, everyone was like “wait a minute, where’s Rachel?”
I think the Rachel connections decided to prep her in March, in a rush, hoping she would run off by 10 and look like a million dollars. The funny and ironic thing is that if Sheriffs didnt send his ‘second stringer’ to beat up on Rachel at the Fair Grounds, Rachel would have beat the other horses by 10 and the connections would have seen the 10 length win and said “Rachel is great, we’re going to Oaklawn”. But, because she lost, they thought, “ok, we’re sticking to our original plan of not racing at Oaklawn, she’s not ready yet”.
Ok, so now, Rachel is ready. She’s back to her top form from last year (or, close to it) and she’s ready to race against Z.
Z was all along going to race at Oaklawn, this was going to be a race for her, she won at this track already and the connections felt comfortable sending her there. Its unfortunate that this race wasn’t in May or something like that, it was just too soon for Rachel and you all knew this by listening to her owner say so in January at the HOY awards.
12 Aug 2010 at 08:38 pm | #
And three more, John C., in the interest of purity of the Sport:
1. No horse shall be named Horse of the Year who ends their campaign in September of a given year;
2. No horse shall be eligible for Horse of the Year if that trainer has ever been fined or suspended due to a drug infraction; and
3. No trainer shall be eligible for an Eclipse Award for Trainer of the Year if that trainer, within the last 10 years, has ever been fined or suspended due to a drug infraction.
12 Aug 2010 at 08:49 pm | #
JRP,
Follow-up to my post #48, re: Zenyatta’s human connections, who you can no longer root for: Jerry Moss has donated money to fund scholarships for children of backstretch workers. Recently, he also funded a free medical clinic at the LA Forum so people with limited means could get some needed health care.
But hey, you cannot root for him, or for John Shirreffs, who runs an honest barn, because they’d rather keep their big mare close to home. You’d rather be rooting for the trainers with the drug fines and suspensions, the Asmussens, Pletchers, Dutrows, Jeff Mullins and Doug O’Neills of the world. To each his own, my friend.
12 Aug 2010 at 09:09 pm | #
JRP,
“If you disagree, name another.”
Sure. How about Winning Colors in 1988.
She ran in 9 races, 8 of which were Grade 1s.
These races include the Santa Anita Oaks, Santa Anita Derby, Kentucky Derby, Preakness Stakes, Belmont Stakes, Maskette Stakes, Spinster Stakes, and the Breeders’ Cup Distaff.
She won three of those Grade 1 races, placed second in three, finished third in one, and also won a Grade 2 race.
The horses that Winning Colors beat during her 3 year old racing year included Forty Niner, the Champion 2 Year Old Colt for 1987 and Risen Star, the Champion 3 Year Old Colt for 1888.
She also beat Seeking The Gold, and came within a nose of beating Personal Ensign.
13 Aug 2010 at 02:01 am | #
This is a well-written, spot-on piece. I think you said it all.
13 Aug 2010 at 02:48 am | #
Your column is as provincial as anything else I’ve read. Littered with professional jealousy and tripe about a horse you could never even hope to own a fraction of. I envision shortsighted writers such as you owning Zippy Chippy instead.
13 Aug 2010 at 04:06 am | #
Through comment #59, Jim C leads with 14 comments. Should be a record.
Say Jim, who da ya like for the early double at Saratoga (in twenty-five words or less). Not to change the subject.
13 Aug 2010 at 04:47 am | #
Geez JRP,
You have a legitimate point about the Hirsch and Zenyatta doing nothing to further the historic standing of the undefeated amazon and then you completely destroy your credibility with your obvious bias toward Rachel Alexandre.
Two points: Todd Pletcher is ducking RA by sending Malibu Prayer to the Molly Pitcher? He’s not ducking 10 furlongs and a likely speed duel with her stablemate Life at Ten? Come on. Second, RA’s “historic” campaign of 2009 finds its equal at least three times in the last 30 years in those of Genuine Risk, Winning Colors and Serena’s Song. I know, none of them beat older males. It turned out that was a pretty bad group that RA beat, though. That doesn’t modify your assessment? You don’t care she was 1-9 in the Oaks? And quick, name the second place finisher. You give points to her Mother Goose in summing up that campaign as historic? There she beat two opponents who stopped to a walk after 6 furlongs and a suicidal speed duel. Was Zenyatta’s 2009 not historic? She ran her record to 14-0, won the second of two Breeder’s Cups and became the first female to win the Classic.
Criticize Zenyatta’s connections. They have done leas with her than they could have (I wanted her to go to Dubai). But I think they will have her primed on BC day. And I don’t think anybody is going to beat her despite her “penchant” for running 92 Beyers (that’s a whole other story). But also be aware of the biases you bring to the discussion. It’s the subtle things that give you away.
13 Aug 2010 at 06:33 am | #
Zenyatta will be in the Classic; Rachel can find her there.
13 Aug 2010 at 08:49 am | #
@ Personal Ensign
You can have your opinion about Personal Ensign being better than Zenyatta, but none of the facts will agree with you.
PE 13-0
Zenyatta 18-0
PE 8 Grade 1 wins (avg field size 5.6)
Zenyatta 12 Grade wins (avg field size 7)
PE - beats a 3 horse field against two sprinters going 9F in the Whitney in her start against males.
Zenyatta - beats 12 horses and 8 G1 winners in the BC Classic at 10F
PE - leaves NY twice (shouldn\’t count the Monmouth start but I will) and never leaves the time zone
Zenyatta - Flies nearly cross country 3 times and makes two starts out of California
PE - won G1\’s on dirt
Zenyatta - won G1\’s on dirt, cushion, pro-ride, and poly
PE - carried over 123 lbs once when she carried 125 lbs
Zenyatta carried over 123 lbs 7 times and 129 lbs twice
PE - Faced fields of 5 or less 7 times in 13 starts
Zenyatta - Faced Fields of 5 or less 4 times in 18 starts
13 Aug 2010 at 08:50 am | #
Moss: we will parade her all over
Unfortunately, JS not Moss calls the shots on Zenyatta.
IMO, Rachel was campaign in 2009 to avoid the toughest horses she probably would have lost to in the 2009 Breeders Classic. They knew Rachel’s 10 furlong weakness before the Preakness that is why she never ran in the Belmont and Travers. Who are we kidding here?
The plastic was a brilliant excuse to avoid the 2009 Breeders. If it wasn’t, JJ wouldn’t propose a race to Moss with Zenyatta on PLASTIC right before the 2009 Classic. Remember JJ said RACHEL WILL NEVER RACE ON PLASTIC. Some of you turf writers should have interviewed JJ and ask WHY THE CHANGED OF HEART after almost a year of RACHEL’s SAFETY IS THE UTMOST CONCERN.
2010 is proving how good Rachel is.....not much!
13 Aug 2010 at 11:15 am | #
Lower Carousel,
PE 13-0
Z 18-0*
* note 16-0 on poly that favors turf horses and doesn’t attract strong fields due to uneven track surfaces that injure horses.
Didn’t know Arkansas was cross country or a trip to Kentucky to scratch counted?
PE beat Winning Colors
Z beat Ginger Punch
PE beat Gulch
Z beat Gio Ponti
Look it’s close, don’t rack your brains.
If Z came to NY and beat RA or Life at Ten in the Beldame then won the classic at Churchill she’s better, otherwise in my opinion PE is better.
13 Aug 2010 at 12:08 pm | #
You mean Personal Ensign beat Gulch and one other horse call King’s Swan in the slop at Saratoga while only carrying 117 lbs. and Gulch carried 124 lbs.
The 117 lbs. that Personal Ensign carried was 1 of 7 times, or half of her races that she carried less than 120 lbs. (118, 115, 113, 113, 119, 117)
The average speed ratings: Z = 95.12 (17 races)
PE = 87.76 (13 races)
Track records broken Z = 2
PE = 0
Track records tied Z = 2
PE = 0
Stakes records broken Z = 3
PE = 0
Number of Grade 1
races by racehorses
beaten Z = 45 (not yet done)
PE = 13 (approx.)
Number of stakes
races by racehorses
beaten Z = 90-100 (approx.)
PE = 20-30 (approx.)
Breeders’ Cup Classic
wins(Ladies or otherwise) Z = 2
PE = 1
Number of divisional
champions beaten Z = 5
PE = 2 (approx.)
Number of Eclipse
Awards Champions
beaten Z = 4
PE = 2
13 Aug 2010 at 12:37 pm | #
Charles,
Your records are on poly, how many years have they been running on poly?
Last years Breeders Classic on poly showed that dirt horses don’t like it case closed throw out the race and tell me how many champions she’s beaten.
Lets see her beat Blame, QR, Rail trip, RA or Life at ten on natural DIRT and then she’s better.
Right now my opinion is that PE is the best undefeated horse.
I also say Joe D. was better than Ted Williams.
13 Aug 2010 at 12:46 pm | #
@Personal Ensign
Zenyatta has the better record, bigger wins, beat better horses, carried more weight, faced bigger fields, traveled farther, and ran faster speed figs. You’re entitled to your opinion but there are clearly no facts to support it.
13 Aug 2010 at 01:23 pm | #
Z is the best poly horse ever..
PE is the best UNDEFEATED natural DIRT horse ever!
13 Aug 2010 at 04:36 pm | #
Rooting for a horse to lose a race named after her, just to make a point, is pretty small and petty. Jim C has said it all and better than I can, and Jim C I thank you for that. Mr. Prizzi I sincerely hope you DON"T write anymore about Zenyatta because she deserves to be written about by someone who can appreciate her accomplishments and not by someone who clearly views Zenyatta as “a glass half empty and not a glass half full.”
13 Aug 2010 at 04:46 pm | #
Pricci is seething in this article.
You can can just feel it oozing out of every orifice and bowel of his being.
He can’t stand Zenyatta.
Pricci,
West is the best. East is the least. My advice:
You better start focusing on NYRA and bankruptcy in your articles. You guys in the east might not be around very much longer and if you are, there’s going to be drastic changes coming (ex: graded purse cuts, etc).
13 Aug 2010 at 04:51 pm | #
You say nobody “digs” Zenyatta anymore? Well apparently you didnt see the 33,000 fans that attended her last race, I think RA race only had 11,554 in attendace. So who is digging whom??? Seems like Zenyatta is getting more “digs” than the east coast HOAX OF THE YEAR…
13 Aug 2010 at 04:56 pm | #
Quote from John Pricci:
“You might be glad to learn that, like most of you, I’m sick of reading and writing about the two mares”
John,
Who is holding a gun to your head to write articles about the legendary Zenyatta and the 2009 “Joke of the Year?
BTW: You mention “two mares” (above). Do you realize that the “2009 Hoax of the Year” is a filly?
Do you even know what a mare is?
13 Aug 2010 at 04:57 pm | #
Well, YOu all wont be saying that on November 6th, when she beats the east coast and west coast boys on dirt..........and then you all can go to hell. Yalls rightful place.......Yeah, after she breaks the glass ceiling, You naysayers will be talking a different tune then........ she dont need you, she has a rightful place in history, Its better than having to go through hell for a HOTY only to be returning to a stomach churning year. disgracful.
13 Aug 2010 at 05:06 pm | #
John Pricci (AKA: JRP),
What are you guys afraid of in the midwest and east?
Not one Grade I midwest or east coast filly/mare wanted to challenge Zenyatta (when Zenyatta headed east in April/2010). They scattered like cockroaches looking for a dark place to hide.
Was it due to the fact that the owners didn’t want to pay $15,000 (in Tex Sutton Airline bills) to run second, third, fourth or fifth to Zenyatta in the Grade I Apple Blossom?
Why did they run and hide, John?
Keeping it real.
Just sayin…
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2010 Grade I wins:
Zenyatta: 4
Blame: 2
Quality road: 2
Rachel Alexandra: 0
I laugh at people like you. People like you can only beat Zenyatta “on paper”, because your surely not going to beat her on the race track.
13 Aug 2010 at 05:31 pm | #
So John, just a reminder that Azeri who was inducted to the HOF today never raced against the boys. She never campaigned that much in the east coast. She was a west coast horse. I don’t understand this article at all. I didn’t see you writing an article for Azeri being inducted because she ran the same exact races as Zenyatta for the most part of her career. Why the hatred for Zenyatta ? Why wish her defeat so that you can say you were right ??
The sad part is, you east coast writers have egos as big as Zenyatta’s derrier that you think you can write negative articles about Zenyatta and people will start believing it. Her fans are not just horse racing fans, they have a connection to Zenyatta and nothing will change that, in fact, it will only strengthen that bond that they (I) have with Zenyatta. So keep it up
As for you deliciously wishing that Zenyatta loses just so you can say you’re right. Well, I say I’m right in that there’s nothing wrong with Zenyatta’s campaign and I wish for you to get fired for writing such nonsense and I do hope you get fired so that I can prove that I’m right. Now tell me, how does it feel when someone wishes ill will towards you ?
13 Aug 2010 at 06:03 pm | #
No thanks, Jim C.
We don’t need the meaningless criterion of a Breeders’ Cup win to qualify for HOY. Didn’t you read what I wrote? The BC has killed competition among the best horses in the sport. The BC is just one race. Horse racing is not like football in any way, shape, or form - we do not need a Super Bowl to decide the champion. We need LENGTHY records of performance, repeated matches among top rivals, and distinction among all three (or four, five, or six) surfaces.
As far as drug suspensions, I’m fine with your rules regarding that as long as there are uniform drug rules throughout the industry, and that a trainer couldn’t possibly be indicted of drugging a horse when only an environmental background level of a drug is detected.
13 Aug 2010 at 06:10 pm | #
Jay Jay,
Just one correction. Azeri ran twice against males (once in the 2004 Met Mile and the other in the 2004 Breeders Cup Classic).
Everything else you said I completely agree with.
13 Aug 2010 at 06:15 pm | #
John C,
The Breeders Cup is not destroying the sport. That’s like me telling you the Marlboro Cup destroyed racing before John R. Gaines invisioned the Breeders Cup.
13 Aug 2010 at 06:18 pm | #
Pricci,
It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
13 Aug 2010 at 06:43 pm | #
Well, Its getting close to the BCC. Shame day for the east coast. All the west coast horses are going to beat the east coast dirt grubbers.
Pricci, YOu are writing your crap only because you know it makes for entertainment. IF it wasnt for Zenyatta, you wouldnt be writing this article , you would be writing about some lame ass east coast horse. IT looks like the closer you move from the east the better the horses get, Lets see, Blame just beat QR, Blame is a kentucky horse that trains at Keeneland oh, by the way is synthetic surface, thats why he is as good as he is. Zenyatta, well we all know how good she is........You and the rest of the east coast are getting scared, becasue as like it was last year , everyone doubted Zen, the only difference is, this year you would like to see her connections proven wrong because they stayed to protocol instead of expanding out. Well if a horse dont travel well, why put her thru that. Why cant disgraced RA fly west, she has ran and won on synthetics before. no excuse except for JJ arrogance and most of all because of Zenyatta. Priccci , you know she will win the BCC, thats whats got you all so scared. IF the Mosses send out this message, that they ran her like this just so she could win the BCC, you all dont like that, then others may want to follow suit. When she hits the #20 and wins the BCC, she breaks the glass ceiling, YOu will be writing about her in pure harmony, giving her all the praises she deserves,
13 Aug 2010 at 09:04 pm | #
Shawn Jacobs : Yes, you’re right but what I meant was she won the HOTY (in 2002, before she ran against the boys) running exactly the same races that Zenyatta ran in in the past 3 years. It’s funny how all the east coast writers have now used the bar that Rachel set last year as a determining factor on whether a F or M is good enough. Gone are the days where a horse who dominated their division are recognized and complimented and admired. Zenyatta may not have ran against the boys 3 times but she did run in the one race where the best of the best at the end of the year come together. Zenyatta is in a different league, she dominates her competition (don’t let the close wins fool you) and as much as I want to see her educate the QRs and the Blames and the Gio Pontis out there, I have to say that her connections have done a great job managing her. I got to see her race when she was 4, enjoyed watching her win and then again at 5 and incredibly still going strong at 6 (although made me age quite a bit with those close wins). She has matched Eclipse’s record, I don’t think that Eclipse ran against the best of the best in all of those 18 races. He ran against some overmatched opponents as well. No one is questioning that though. Isn’t that funny ?
When Zenyatta rolls down that longggggg stretch at CD in a gallop, the east coast voters for the HOTY will have to work overtime just trying to figure out what excuse they would use not to vote for her and give it to Blame or whoever comes 2nd to Zenyatta. Team Z and west coast could care less about that HOTY, Zenyatta is the horse of a lifetime, not a one year wonder.
14 Aug 2010 at 01:50 am | #
Never has so much been written about two so-called ‘stars’ of Thoroughbred racing by a bunch of so-called supporters of racing, who do little to improve the lot of racing: gamble (ya know, put money on a horse so the racetrack can make some money); and, all the while failing to understand that only the owners, trainer, and jockey of these ‘stars’ will be the ones who laugh all the way to the bank.
Any of you commentators, the lovers of this ‘sport’, who do little to support it, got a hot one today? Could use it, as I am a degenerate gambler anxious for today’s post time so I can make some money, hopefully. Don’t care what horses are running, or what racetrack, as they all look and run the same to me. Some one got a tip?
14 Aug 2010 at 02:39 am | #
@personal ensign
Zenyatta is clearly the best main track undefeated horse. I understand how you can dislike Zenyatta. If a horse came along and destroyed all the records of my favorite horse, I’d be a little bitter too.
14 Aug 2010 at 04:24 am | #
lower carousel,
not bitter at all, and don’t dislike Z at all in fact it’s the opposite..
I just want to see her do it on natural dirt against her peers so I will have no doubt that she’s the best. I think she can carry her form to NY but we will never know.
Preach’s article was about sportsmanship and sharing Z with all her fans across the country and not running in a race(Zenyatta Stakes) like RA did at Monmouth.
Unfortunately commenters like #70 and #71 insult great Z fans like you.
I knew by saying PE was better than Z would bring passion out to Z lovers but the rage brought it out to street low level.
In the end it’s not Z’s fault Cali went to poly and her connections protected her for the good of the horse.
PE’s career is long over and her legacy lives in her children and grandchildren who have proven to be pretty good.
Z can finish her career undefeated too and then we can enjoy seeing her children run too!
Forget the undefeated records and accomplishments of both and who’s better…
Just look at the heart of each and enjoy the ride!
14 Aug 2010 at 04:31 am | #
Zenyatta stayed in Cali and went to Oaklawn, and managed to race in all grade 1 races, The Reigning 2009 HOTY ran up and down the east coast to run in Ungraded races and made for me to win in races, Who has the most pathetic resume for 2010? Your east coast HOTY does…
14 Aug 2010 at 04:34 am | #
When Zenyatta wins the BCC of 2010, Look out world because she will get not only the nations highest honor, she will get the world’s highest honor too.... just a few more months and she will make you all eat your words.....and you will
14 Aug 2010 at 04:42 am | #
Wouldn’t it be nice if we could go back to the old days of racing? When the sport was popular because it is exciting and beautiful and turf writers were just that, not angry young men trying to puff up their chests and badmouth the people who put food in their mouths? No connections, no racing no stories. Get the picture?
Ahh for the days when they wrote in legitimate publications and didn’t comment on each others blogs (Jason S your blog is calling), get involved in slamfests and allow only those opinions which didn’t call them out?
The days when, if a turf writer wrote snide or untrue commments about a trainer or an owner they could expect an invitation to the parking lot for fisticuffs?
I sure miss those days.
Bet you miss those days too John.
Hey the way it’s going with racing, soon you guys can all second-guess baseball managers. Of course who needs that many sports writers? Talk about a group continually shooting themselves in the foot.
Then again that would be right up some of these guys alley, they could write about the pro athletes who murder, sexually assault and do god knows what then they could assassinate the character of someone who deserves it.
By the way John? I do believe all of Zenyatta’s fans ARE in California, those of us on the East Coast are too busy trying to bury our heads in the sand about the condition of racing in NY, Kentucky, NJ and fend off hits about who is training what horse and why the owners are stupid enough to have a guy training our horses.
14 Aug 2010 at 06:31 am | #
These east coast clowns have nothing better to do than bash Zenyatta. They don’t want to talk about Rachel’s failed 2010 campaign. “Z hasn’t beat anybody!” At least Z has beat the horses who beat RA this year. And who did Rachel beat last year? Mine that Bird and Summer Bird were also beaten by Zenyatta. Who else did Rachel beat? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? RA supporters claim “Rachel showed up at all the toughies and travelled the country. But they don’t mention she didn’t show up at the BC Classic or the Apple Blossom, kind of forgot about those two. I don’t recall during Ruffian and Personal Ensign’s campaigns there was a lot of bitching coming from the west coast. Only respect, something some east-coasters don’t have.
14 Aug 2010 at 06:45 am | #
markinsac,
Rachel Alexandra = G-A-R-B-A-G-E
Macho Again retired (due to him faltering multiple times) and the owners felt he couldn’t win in graded competition.
The Lexington, KY outfits wanted no part of Mach Again, so the owners shipped him to Venezuela to breed.
The 2009 Preakness (Mine That Bird) is one of the weakest in history. He’ll never win another graded stakes. He hasn’t won a graded stakes for over a year (May/2009).
14 Aug 2010 at 06:46 am | #
One more point, i do agree that some of the artificial tracks “Polycrap” as you people like to call them are difficult to handicap on. I think Del Mar’s surface might be the worst one. In fact favorites win 25% of the time at Del Mar, well below the 33% national average. Favorites win at a low rate at Keeneland too (also Polytrack). Now, if these artifical tracks produce inconsistent results, then how has Zenyatta won every one of them? Doesn’t that make her even greater? Furthermore, it’s obvious there’s a east coast bias. You guys only complain about southern California tracks, and convienently say nothing bad about beloved Keeneland or Woodbine or Arlington. Pricci, you are way past your prime.
14 Aug 2010 at 06:46 am | #
markinsac,
Rachel Alexandra = G-A-R-B-A-G-E
Macho Again retired (due to him faltering multiple times) and the owners felt he couldn’t win in graded competition.
The Lexington, KY outfits wanted no part of Macho Again, so the owners shipped him to Venezuela to breed.
The 2009 Preakness (Mine That Bird) is one of the weakest in history. He’ll never win another graded stakes. He hasn’t won a graded stakes for over a year (May/2009).
14 Aug 2010 at 08:59 am | #
To All HRI Readers:
On behalf of our investors, advertisers, staff and myself, I would like to apologize for the moron who wrote an unspeakably bad comment beneath this piece.
Worse is that my webmaster, who only recently had his first child, is taking the first vacation he’s had in almost two years.
Since he’s on a camping trip in Canada, I’m sure he might have difficulty getting to a computer until he returns, hopefully Monday, the latest.
Unfortunately, this is the nature of the Internet beast that occasionally we must all live with.
Again, our apologies, and the comment will be deleted as soon as we are pyhsically able.
John Pricci, executive editor
HorseRaceInsider.com
14 Aug 2010 at 09:32 am | #
To All HRI Readers,
Those abusive comments that appeared earlier have been deleted. We apologize for offending anyone.
We encourage healthy debate, not ignorant remarks that include foul language or personal attacks.
We have that person’s IP address--he/she actually wrote two inappropriate comments--and are taking the appropriate measures.
Thank you for your understanding and patience.
JRP, ExEd
15 Aug 2010 at 04:30 am | #
I want to start off saying that I am a huge racing fan (of the horses, not the betting angles).
I find myself getting more and more frustrated with racing and Zenyatta’s connections. They promised a great campaign for the mare, shipping around the country for this year so that people can appreciate her. Where is that campaign?
I am located on the east coast (which apparently makes me biased??) and I cannot justify spending several hundred on a plane ticket just to see her run (either in Cali or in the Apple Blossom). I had been planning on going to see her and Rachel (individually or separately) race anywhere within the NY/NJ area (maybe even a little farther south) this summer/fall, but I find myself bitterly disappointed in Zenyatta’s lack of travel. Fan’s should not have to fly across the country to see their stars running, especially when the connections promised a true campaign this year.
Everyone is arguing that Zenyatta should not have to ship because Rachel is ‘washed up’ or ‘ducked her already’ or because she is a West coast horse that ‘does not need to prove herself against the east coast competition’. How about Zenyatta should travel so that she can be appreciated by her fans on the east coast who cannot afford (or have the vacation time) to travel to CA or KY? I thought that the biggest thing needed in racing is the fans....apparently her connections forgot that in their desire to stay perfect. At least I got see Cigar during his campaign (and I was 10 at the time.....)
I am disappointed and find that maybe some of the apparent ‘east coast bias’ is due to the anger of fans on the east coast being denied of their opportunity to see their favorites race horses race somewhere closer than a thousand miles away (KY is a 14 hour drive from the northeast...)
15 Aug 2010 at 06:09 am | #
JRP,
Thanks for the imput. Let’s all agree to disagree in a civil manner, minus the profanity. And I hope your webmaster gets back safe with his family.
That said, Dani just put it perfectly why Zenyatta is the center of such intense critizism when she or he said ...getting more and more fustrated...bitterly disappointed...”
Dani, us on the west coast wanted to see many of the great horses in history come out to Santa Anita or Hollywood Park long before the synthetic surface was installed. These horses include Secretariat and Ruffian. Never got to see them.
And guess what, the fans on the west coast were high class enough not to constantly whine, complain and be critical about the horse. We just accepted it.
Maybe that’s the difference. We on the West Coast would of loved to see these horses (Secretariat,Ruffian,etc.), asked them to come and race, but accepted their denial and moved on.
The fans and turf writers on the east coast EXPECT to see Zenyatta there, DEMAND that she come and race, and WILL NOT TAKE NO AS AN ANSWER AND WILL THROW A FIT UNTIL SHE COMES.
15 Aug 2010 at 08:39 am | #
“I am disappointed and find that maybe some of the apparent ‘east coast bias’ is due to the anger of fans on the east coast being denied of their opportunity to see their favorites race horses race somewhere closer than a thousand miles away (KY is a 14 hour drive from the northeast...)”
East Coast fans “angered” and “denied their opportunity to see Zenyatta”? Gimme a break. The East Coast, and New York in particular, is the epicenter of anti-Zenyatta sentiment. And it was the East Coast scribes like JRP who robbed her of 2009 Horse of the Year.
My wife and I went to see Zenyatta run at Del Mar on August 7. Afterwards, we drove a few miles up Highway 1, into Encinitas to find a place for dinner. After we finished, and were walking out the door, we ran into a couple that flew all the way in to Denver to see Zenyatta.
Frankly, I say to heck with New York and the East Coast. Zenyatta’s next race should be where it will benefit her most before the Breeders’ Cup, and before her fans on the West Coast that appreciate her most. Frankly, after all the illogical criticism being thrown at Zenyatta, and her connections, you guys do not deserve to see her. Go watch Rachel Alexandra, or Quality Road, or whomever is the latest overrated East Coast hype horse.
15 Aug 2010 at 03:12 pm | #
I live in Toronto and took my family to LA to see Zenyatta start her season this year. After she demolished the best field assembled in 2009, and being a lifelong racing fan, I thought that I best take this once in a life time opportunity to see one of the best horses ever was money well spent.
I certainly never expected or demanded that she come to me. Geez New Yorkers are certainly self centered, lazy and delusional.
15 Aug 2010 at 04:59 pm | #
I live on the east coast so close over that I can touch the ocean. But I love Zenyata. NO, I wont get to fly to see her, I wont get to drive to see her, but that dont matter, I got TVG, Youtube.com, Internet.
I can see all of her I want to see, John even gives us special behind the scenes of her everyday life, so , people like me, can see her every day and see her life away from the track. Jon know how special she is to all her fans like me, so that raally helps me to get to see her all i want.
Some west coast fans want to see RA, but I guess that dont matter does it? they should just forget about that right? whats good for one is good for the other...........
quit whinin east coast, if she came , you wouldnt find a horse that wanted to run against her, RA would be scratched the very morning she was to run. the only way this race is guarenteed to go off without JJ pullinig his stunts is for it to be in the BCC…
15 Aug 2010 at 08:05 pm | #
It’s so ridiculous, why does Zenyata HAVE TO race in New York? What about the fans in Seattle or Miami? Why New York? I’ve never seen such a bunch of sorry whiners in my life. And I kind of understand. Every body knows New York horses don’t win Breeders Cup races so they want Zenyatta to go there so the streak will be broken.
New York: GET A LIFE!
16 Aug 2010 at 03:26 am | #
I drove from Illinois to see Zenyatta race at Santa Anita last year. Took my sons, we made it a family trip. The drive itself was great fun and Santa Anita is beautiful with an incredibly friendly and competent staff.
And my god Zenyatta is just breathtaking in the flesh. She’s the horse of a lifetime. Eclipse voters who failed to vote for her for HOY two years in a row have no idea how foolish and petty you’ve made yourselves look. It is those voters, not Zenyatta, who history will (rightfully) mock.
And I agree with others here. If you east coasters want to see her so bad take the trip or stop whining. Whether you drive or fly, seeing her is worth every penny and every minute it takes to get there.
17 Aug 2010 at 08:19 am | #
Heading should be:
Provincial campaign in NEW YORK will deny Ruffian/Personal Ensign their rightful place in history…
Oh wait..it didn’t.
18 Aug 2010 at 10:08 am | #
Yap Zenyatta basically raced in Southern California.
But then again, some considered great horses hardly traveled too.
1. PERSONAL ENSIGN - Mostly raced in New York except for one race
2. RUFFIAN - Mostly raced in New York except for one in Jersey
SO I GUESS IF YOU JUST RACED IN NEW YORK YOU TRAVELED!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
and won’t be considered PROVINCIAL. waaahahahahaha
18 Aug 2010 at 10:38 pm | #
Good for you, John. I love Zenyatta, and my kids have been waiting for three years now for her to come east. We can’t afford a trip to California or Churchill, but we really thought this might be the year. My girls are devastated. Thank you for saying what others are afraid to.
19 Aug 2010 at 03:08 pm | #
Zenyatta or Rachel Alexandra who??? I can honestly say that I have only watched Z once via a replay and RA twice live. RA lost both times. Since then, my own interest in both has waned almost completely.
If she stays healthy, RA may be spectacular as a 5 year old, if she even races. Z has always had tremendous potential but is limited to glorified allowance company by her handlers in almost all cases. To be a champion you have to defend your title against real contenders. Take on all comers.
It is just not to be. RA did that on dirt in 09. Z on plastic in her true testsin the BC. Thanks for the memories girls. Hear that??? The world just keeps on turning anyway.
If anyone is looking real close, the entire industry is on life support and failing…
19 Aug 2010 at 03:25 pm | #
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/19082010/2/analysis-tracks-fewer-bets-plague-horse-racing.html?act=new-comment&res=ok#co
ANALYSIS-Too many tracks, fewer bets plague US horse racing (Paulick @ Reuters)
Thu, 19 Aug 20:14:00 2010
* Wagers on US thoroughbred races off 7 pct through July
* Horse auction values fell 32 percent last year
With fewer fans wagering less money at too many racetracks, U.S. thoroughbred horse racing is galloping toward a reckoning.
Not even the advent of racinos—tracks that include slot machines or other casino gambling—have stemmed the decline.
The industry must address a fall-off in attendance, betting totals and horse auction values if it wants to retain its position in the public’s sporting consciousness, executives and analysts said.
“The playing field has completely changed for the industry,” said Ray Paulick, who has covered horse racing for more than three decades and publishes the Paulick Report. “There’s too many tracks, too many race dates and not enough consumers who are interested in the product.”
Recognized as the sport of kings, horse racing has a long and checkered history in the United States. It has dominated public attention with horses like Man o’ War, Sea Biscuit and Secretariat, and movies and stories like “National Velvet” and “The Black Stallion” reflected that. Still, at other times its popularity has faded.
It has struggled in the United States in recent years as casinos proliferated. The recession has exacerbated things. The handle, or amount wagered on U.S. thoroughbred races, slid 19 percent to $12.3 billion in 2009 from 2003, and is off another 7 percent through July.
Add in weaker attendance, a lower number of horses being bred for the sport and a 32-percent drop last year to $660 million in the value of North American thoroughbred auction purchases, and worries abound.
“I’d probably bet the future is more likely down for the next few years than up,” said Robert Evans, chief executive of Churchill Downs Inc , which owns the track where the famed Kentucky Derby is run.
Evidence of the tough times is mounting, as large track owner Magna Entertainment filed for bankruptcy protection last year and another large operator, the New York Racing Association, warned of a shutdown earlier this year.
“It’s not as if one group has any magic bullets here,” said Bennett Liebman, executive director of the Government Law Center at Albany Law School and a member of NYRA’s board.
ENDANGERED TRACKS
Many industry executives say subsidies like slots or government support are a must and that more bankruptcies or closures are likely among the country’s 100 or so tracks.
“Running a racetrack is now a negative gross business,” NYRA President Charlie Hayward said.
Another concern is racing’s aging fans. Some worry about finding new ones to replace a majority base of men over the age of 50 who make up the industry’s heaviest bettors.
Tracks are pushing hard to lure younger crowds, turning to music and food festivals as draws. Some even downplay the races to get people in the door in the hopes they will gamble later.
“You really don’t see horses in our ads at all anymore. It’s really all about ... coming to the races is a social scene,” said Craig Dado, a senior vice president with Del Mar, a racetrack outside San Diego founded by crooner Bing Crosby in the late 1930s.
The share of Del Mar’s female visitors has jumped 5 points to 40 percent in the last five years, while those under the age of 35 now make up almost half of the total, he said.
Some executives see things bottoming out. Magna’s assets were purchased by MI Developments Inc and NYRA, which operates New York tracks at Belmont, Saratoga and Aqueduct, got a $25 million loan from the state, which is moving to approve slot machines for the tracks.
However, most agree the industry needs to be leaner, and some tracks are already moving that way.
Monmouth Park in Oceanport, New Jersey, halved its racing days this year to 71, but attendance is up 12 percent and wagers have risen 38 percent at the track and more than doubled off track. As a result, purses awarded to horse owners have ballooned to $1 million a day from $380,000 last year.
“This has worked incredibly well,” said Robert Kulina, the track’s vice president and general manager. “Less is more.”
Many believe that in the future, large tracks with the biggest purses and best horses will host races only on weekends, while smaller tracks supply races to televise at other facilities and drive gambling the rest of the time.
“Not even the New York Yankees play in Yankee Stadium 100 straight days,” said Nick Nicholson, CEO of Keeneland, the largest seller of thoroughbred horses in the world and operator of a track that races only 32 days a year.
The Internet offers further hope. If gambling ramps up online to allow bets on cell phones and other personal devices, the potential is huge, especially overseas, said Alex Waldrop, CEO of the National Thoroughbred Racing Association. The U.S. made up a small portion of the $115 billion globally wagered on horse races in 2008.
“Horse racing is still very popular around the world,” he said. “There are still large, new markets that we can access.”
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2 comments
Mine on Fri 20 Aug 1:21AM:
All this laid out, commented on and then business as usual. This crap is decades old. It did not just pop up yesterday. The declining/dieing customers have complained and suggested themselves to boredom. And you idiots still ignore every @#$% word they have said or typed for 30 years. I hope 75 tracks go completely out of business. Then the other 25 can get rid of the government that sucks everything dry and dead. Join together, listen to what we suggest and give us the wagers/wagering platforms WE WANT with breakage ELIMINATED and take that ranges from 5 to 10 percent. 100% DRUG FREE racing… Exchange wagering… Cheaters banned for life from ALL tracks and those caught helping them…
No you say? Then screw the other 25 tracks, too. Let them all RIP…
From Charles, on Thu 19 Aug 9:46PM:
Ray you did a great piece here. The only thing you left out is why are the race tracks making little attempt to keep the players they had for years.
It’s like they want me to stay home and play on my computer, which I wont. Even Keeneland changed the parking around and I can’t go their anymore. I rarely missed a 200 mile a day round trip to Keeneland until last meet. I live outside Louisville and they changed the parking around so it takes me 45 minutes to get out of parking lot compared to 3 minutes before.
Churchill Downs is unbearable with the loud music and all they want is to teach kids how to drink and play slots. They put me out and cater to young people that only want to party. If it wasn’t for contests at some tracks I would never go. I started going to the races at Churchill Downs in 1952 and I know I have been to the races at least 3000 times and I can’t buy a derby box on account Lady Ga Ga wants it.
Buddy