Even though the public reporting of the fans’ over-zealous attachment to certain horses has been largely ignored by the media (for obvious reasons), it does not mean that the topic should not be researched, understood and written about. No movement more clearly describes the past six years or so accurately illustrates horse racing’s recent history. Nevertheless, I believe that in the heat of the conversation, some readers stooped beneath the level of dignity with their comments and I’m disappointed in that. Some comment writers should be ashamed.
Lacking the intelligence to craft a proper rebuttal, several readers used disinformation and relied on distortion of history to get their licks in. (I forgive the misspellings; they could be typos, e.g. NEGITIVE and f_ucking.) Few readers who posted comments have my resume or know what I’m really like, yet they didn’t feel in the least bit inhibited about calling me names or saying that I’m unqualified, disrespecting my age, using profanity or spitting in my face verbally. Fielding ignorance like theirs comes with the job. I didn’t eat snakes in the army like one reader wrote. But I’m sufficiently tough-skinned. Still, the erosion of civility in society is troubling.
Is the piece provocative? Well, of course, it is. But then why would I want to write something that bores you or replicates something you’ve read elsewhere? Does it reflect anger? No, I think the comments in response to the column are angry. Is the editorial unusual in the way it is challenging? Perhaps it is in the world of horse racing, but not within the context of thought-generating op-eds about politics, life trends and current events that you read in newspapers daily. Is not horse racing a realm in which disagreements flourish?
I am not sorry that some people were offended by what I wrote. I wrote nothing that insulted anyone directly, individually or unfairly. What some readers are experiencing – identifying personally with the remarks written about the behavior of unspecified individuals – is common.
At the same time, if you’re really a Barbaro maniac, Rachel Alexandra fanatic or avowed Z-lot, you may want to reflect deeply on the various ways you’ve exhibited your loyalty. You might find that prejudice, pettiness and open hostility to people who disagree with you have, on occasion, earmarked your passion.
On the other hand, you may not reach this conclusion at all. You may conclude that your behavior has been appropriate throughout. That would be consistent with how I think you'll react and consistent with what I wrote.


18 Nov 2010 at 06:17 am | #
Mr. Zast,
Well said, especially the comment “...the erosion of civility in society is troublng”. I am relatively new to JP’s website but often wonder if people would utter their coarse, sometimes cruel meanderings, tete a tete.
18 Nov 2010 at 06:57 am | #
Um, Vic, you claim thatI you “wrote nothing that insulted anyone directly, individually or unfairly.” Well, you did dismiss Zenyatta supporters as psychos and nuts, and then played dime store psychologist to attempt to prove your point.
Many of the commenters, in good humor, embraced the derogatory labels you bestowed upon them, and then explained why Zenyatta, Rachel Alexandra, and Barbaro brought so much enjoyment to their lives. I linked to a Youtube video of a young couple that drove from South Dakota to Louisville, and met Zenyatta in her barn after the race; their baby daughter, who was born on Kentucky Derby day, and was named Zenyatta Alexandra, got a chance to pet Zenyatta. To me, this is what is right about horse racing.
No matter what you say, Vic, Zenyatta put horse racing back on the map. It’s a fact you should embrace, not be bitter about.
18 Nov 2010 at 08:42 am | #
The Z fans are not nuts. Remember the followers of a man named Joseph from Nazareth who the followers claimed was Jesus were called “nuts”.
We forget that the Bible states a new saviour will be sent to us. I truly believe this new Jesus has been sent in the form of a horse, that being the Zenyatta.
I giveth unto you my Zenyatta, for you have saved us all.
18 Nov 2010 at 08:59 am | #
Praise the Lord and pass the pecans.
18 Nov 2010 at 09:17 am | #
While I had no problem with your first article (I disagreed with the gist and think you should have given a better nod that not all Zenyatta supporters are Z-lots"), I think this article shows you to be thin-skinned and arrogant and it is really unbecoming of what I expect out of this site.
Pointing out the grammatical and spelling shortcomings of your readers, referring to your age as why you should be trusted (because age is the end-all be-all of why I should listen to a journalist), and so on detracts greatly from your point. You complain that your readers call you names without having your resume, yet in turn you call them psychos. I guess the man with the pen is allowed to hold a double-standard.
You already wrote one article on the hyper-fanaticism within horse racing; there was absolutely zero point for this article. Ignore them if you don’t like them, but use a little modicum of class. Right now, you don’t seem to have much, especially for a writer of your experience and, to steal your word, age.
I expect better.
18 Nov 2010 at 10:18 am | #
For those who seemingly cling on to Zenyatta like a barnacle and proclaim her as the reason racing is “back on the map” you need to see the forest through the trees.
Racing has enjoyed in the last few years now greater exposure from a variety of horses and circumstances. Zenyatta is merely one square in the tapestry.
Calvin Borel, his personality, and his unlikely victories in the Derby on MTB and SS has been a boost. Victories like that “put racing back on the map”. He was on Letterman and The Tonight Show - not Z. Rachel Alexandra was featured on NBC’s Today Show and Evening News (among other media outlets) following her victories last spring and summer. Those outcomes “put racing back on the map”. Even the Monmouth battle of the “wives” added to this notion of putting “racing back on the map”.
Only a fool would deny that Zenyatta added to the momentum and even rode the biggest wave with 60-Minutes (and 10M+ viewers) not to mention her run in the BCC giving ESPN a major boost.
Still to suggest she alone has been some sort of one-horse savior is to ignore the contributions of many other races, horse, and personalities during her racing career. Z was icing on the cake not the tiers which built it up.
I do hope these new Z fans (and Rachel fans, et al) translate into sustained fans of the sport. Everyone complains (present company included) that too many horses leave before a following can be made. Well the grand old man Brass Hat will be in the Clark Handicap next weekend at CD. He certainly is a horse to celebrate just as much as (although for different reasons) Z.
My guess is barely a peep outside of the same core of fans who have been following the sport for ages will know who he is and cheering him on. A pity as his story is just as rich and satisfying as many others.
18 Nov 2010 at 10:41 am | #
to me you are just a bitter loser who doesn’t understand the beauty of love..to trample on barbaro rachel and z...is just like walking into the super bowl and denouncing football..why in the world does anyone pay you to cover horse racing? horse racing isn’t only about cashing a 5 to 1 blame[onion] over 3/5 zenyatta[or secretarariat..you will however make a fantastic villain in the zenyatta movie! angelina jolie as mrs moss..harrison ford as mr moss..mike smith as himself and john o hurley playing you as the bitter old journalist who misses the greatest story in horse racing
18 Nov 2010 at 10:49 am | #
So right on.
I consider myself a real fan of Barbaro. I say that because I was watching him waaay before most of the wingnuts had glommed onto him. I had him as my Derby pick, and went to see him work at Fair Hill. I was in love with him the way I was in love with the memory of Secretariat.
After he broke down, and during his time in the hospital, I found myself shocked and a little worried about the insanity among his fans. The bad tribute poetry, and later “ghost sightings” and lighting fake candles online (for which there is still a website, and fans who get upset if there are fewer than 100 fake candles “lit") all made me uncomfortable. So I, a real fan, got relegated to the corner as someone who didn’t “get it.”
While I think that passion, and new fans, are super important to the sport of racing, sometimes the sheer lunacy is really… disturbing.
18 Nov 2010 at 11:05 am | #
Brenda wrote: “john o hurley playing you as the bitter old journalist who misses the greatest story in horse racing”
I think Abe Vigoda is available.
18 Nov 2010 at 11:10 am | #
I feel I have to point out something obvious here. You wrote “Other horses have had long unbeaten streaks during their time and have not received the kind of adulation they’ve received. I tried to provide reasons to explain why.”
Here’s a reason. A big one. Social media. Internet. People are becoming more and more savvy. Even the casual racing fan is connected. If the horse racing industry is wise it will embrace the passion of these fans (and yes I am one of them) and not try to provoke them just to gets hits on a website. Just my opinion.
18 Nov 2010 at 11:46 am | #
Anonymity of blogs adds an element to expression that I’ll leave for the trained. As social media expands so to (I believe) will be disenchantment by those wanting a constructive dialog without the clutter of inane and degenerate barrages. For starters, how ‘bout using only real names as a stipulation for participation supported by a type of profile on file? For one, the so-called passionate opinion surrounding the Rachael/Zen, Zen/Blame, etc. things have served to relegate the positive and are actually kind of scary.
18 Nov 2010 at 12:27 pm | #
We get your point . You have insulted many. You must be a joy to be with @ the racetrack. Obviously your comments have no merit with the majority of the public. I am proud to be a Z nut! Your take on the love we feel for Zenyatta is something you will never understand. I put you on my Christmas list ..coal.
18 Nov 2010 at 12:39 pm | #
Vic, I read both your pieces. To have an over zealous attitude toward Barbaro, Rachel or Zen is frankly refreshing and good. For one thing it shows these folks have “ morals”, something severely lacking in this society. If your worried about the lack of civility in society then why not publish a piece condemning the inhumane and disgusting treatment given to horses sent to slaughter? The fact is some members of society do care about the “ ones who no voice”. Is that wrong? Is it wrong to care about the plight of Barbaro and his struggle to survive? Is it wrong to love Zen for her accomplishments but more importantly her demeaner, her love of the crowd, her love to run and how she relates to people? The same is to be said for Rachel. What you forget here is that these same people, who worship these three horses care about THEM ALL AND THEIR WELFARE. These individuals, who so fiercely love their animals, have a set of morals standards this country has lost. We have lost sight of the plight of ALL ANIMALS in need. Do you think it’s right that the BLM can disrupt, maim and upset the wild stallions on our western lands under the pretext they are over populated or we are out of space? By the way those are tax payer dollars being used that go to creating jobs and doing something with that money a lot more meaningful. The fact is that these people have a very high moral standard and are ANYTHING BUT PSYCHO. In this country we always do whats greedily motivational, rarely whats morally right.
18 Nov 2010 at 01:32 pm | #
Vic - I just went back and read Psycho Talk, which I had missed - interesting column, and scary how many readers so badly missed the point (which, I suppose, proves your point...)
Fascinating stuff, and oh, sweet jesus, please cast my vote to Fred for “comment of the week”!
18 Nov 2010 at 01:53 pm | #
Like I commented in the last piece, some of you fans that obsess over one horse should really break from the mob and share some of that passion with other horses. Only watching races from one horse and then going into hibernation until another one comes along doesn’t help the long-term survival of this sport.
18 Nov 2010 at 03:26 pm | #
As I see it Mr.Zast, if it wasn’t for these 3 horses in question, no one would have responded to your heartless article. You also would have had nothing to write about as you seem to be harping on the same chord as your first article. Why come back ony to repeat what you said in article 1? We got your message loud and clear. I didn’t agree with you then and I don’t now.
Question: How much money have you given back to this sport? As I said before, the Barbaro fans did just that and are STILL doing it. Jerry and Ann Moss have been giving back for years whether it be cancer research, race horse retirement funds or backstretch employees, Rachel’s camp also gave back to cancer research. I,myself, have given, on occasion, to the Barbaro fund as well as to horseracing retirement facilities. You never said what you have done for the sport that gives you the right to publish arrogant posts or editorials. “Nut cases” have done a lot for this sport.
One horse brought the people to their TV’s on the 6th of November...She did generate interests whether it was through her racing, 60 Minutes, Sports Illustrated or Oprah’s Top Ten Most Powerful Women of 2010 or her many You-
Tube videos. Her popularity also sold a lot of souvenirs at the various BC’s she raced. This,as you know, generates income to the track besides the fact that her owners require a portion goes to some form of charity.
Wonder how many will watch next year? She was more of a magnet to this dying sport than anyone can ever imagine. Just go ask that little girl in the R.Palmer photo or even Jay Hovdey’s daughter that was afraid of horses after being bitten by one and what that visit with Zenyatta accomplished, or the race caller from Oaklawn’s girlfriend who has cancer but mustered up the ability to go and see her in person as Zenyatta has been her distraction during her treatments,or the little Autistic boy that visits her to help with his corresponding skills. The list goes on Mr. Zast. Don’t complain about what we have witnessed during this horse’s campaign who continued to run as a 6 year old but celebrate it. Thank whoever your higher being might be, that we here in the USA, were fortunate to finally have one that didn’t have a fatal ending but who was only one loss from a perfect career by a whisker. Fans deserve more credit from you journalists than this. Without us, the horses and owners,your job is history. Hopefully you will now notice there is more to this game than a ticket to cash or not cash. Your buddy Mr. Kling needs to notice this as well. He too sits on his show with that smug look as if he is “God”. Then pounces on those that disagree. His show companion isn’t any better. I remember seeing Nick walking around on the otheride of the maintrack fence (fan side) years ago at Saratoga. At some point he was at the right time at the right place as someone felt he was journalistic material. Which still makes me question the criteria needed for this job. Oh, and “pass the pecans”? Was that another “nut” reference? Not appreciated.
18 Nov 2010 at 04:34 pm | #
Mary,
I’m originally from the south, where our mantra was that if we couldn’t say something nice about someone we didn’t say anything at all. I quit watching track facts live months ago for the reasons you mentioned, rather watch reruns of three stooges on sunday mornings. You are passionate, that’s very appealing but I do sense some anger and hostility. This is a short ride, 6f, to heaven, so chill, come to saratoga, and promise to buy you a drink at the jim dandy bar. take care.
18 Nov 2010 at 04:36 pm | #
Sorry, meant to say Anne
18 Nov 2010 at 05:02 pm | #
Anne:
Don’t worry too much about “Pecans” Kling. Poor soul is just a knockaround, handout guy whose career boost came from the soon-to-be deceased Gene Stevens in the now-defunct Post Time USA.
PS, Pecans, isn’t there a horse entered in Saturday’s Delta Jackpot with a strong local connection that you could be writing about?
18 Nov 2010 at 05:24 pm | #
Most people lead miserable lives. They have jobs that do not inspire them, spouses that do not arouse them anymore, children that do not make them proud. So they look for any “reason to believe” (sorry Bruce, I had to steal it from you). And when anyone tries to take that last ray of perceived “living” away, or suggest that it’s kind of funny or silly, be it Sarah Palin or Zenyatta, those people enjoying a vicarious ride get a little hot. People are not reasonable lot. Most can not deal with what they perceive as failure. So feathers are ruffled. And claws come out. Don’t worry, Vick. They might not come to the races (like you and I). They won’t bet. But they won’t stop reading.
18 Nov 2010 at 06:26 pm | #
Allen Goldberg,
Dude, spell Vic right. Vic Zast is spelled “Vic”, not “Vick”.
Let me guess: I bet you were a Rachel Alexandra fan. The HOY that crumbled like Humpty Dumpty in 2010.
18 Nov 2010 at 06:29 pm | #
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18 Nov 2010 at 08:19 pm | #
Bob S.,
Haven’t seen a reference to Gene Stevens, Post Time, in a while. I knew Sonny Hine quite well, and cannot tell you how painful it was to watch his widow, Carolyn, on the arm of that man. He used to come into the paddock at Saratoga and folks avoided him like the plague. Had no idea he had any connection to the Klingster, but I assume because Gene sued a friend of mine at Gulfstream for alledgedly throwing his post time rags away, I’m not surprised. Gene coined the phrase and I can tell you he is not very well received in the racing community. Very vindictive man, may get into the pearly gates, not sure.
18 Nov 2010 at 08:28 pm | #
Thanks Alex! You are on! I have never had a drink in the Jim Dandy Bar in all my years at Saratoga. I was not trying to be hostile as I was trying to explain to Vic that he could be better served if he was actually doing something for the sport that gives him a job. Giving helps one’s soul. With what is going on in Jersey...this sport is looking worse than it did a week ago.
Now if I wrote all in caps… I would be hostile. :>)
Thank you Bob as well. Not sure if you were meaning Bug Juice in the Delta race. I will have to see all of the entries. Bug Juice seems like an honest horse after watching that one run here last summer he just might be one to make a wager. Bug Juice seemed to mix well with the Pecans.
Allan, it isn’t the claws of the readers it is the claws and fangs of the journalists who just can’t apprectiate a horse that has given this industry the boost it needs. She also wasn’t such a bad racehorse as her record proves with her grade 1 wins, a winner of two divisions of Breeders Cup races. One making her the first filly or mare to win the Classic. Not bad for a girl. Jerry and Ann Moss could have ran and hid from the Classic this year but didn’t. They had the best horse who had the worst luck. It happens,as many complain, after they have lose in the Derby. For two straight years in a row we have heard how the best horse didn’t win. I have been fortunate as one I bet the day of the race and Super Saver was my only early pool bet this year. I knew with that breeding he could go the distance and run on a wet or dry track. So, in reference to the betting angle. Wrong! We do bet and we can read as well(pretty clever lot) but will become more selective when it comes to who we read.
18 Nov 2010 at 09:52 pm | #
Geeesh, who could complain bout that article. You hit the nail on the head.
18 Nov 2010 at 11:46 pm | #
The Rachel and Zenyatta worship doesn’t really bother me except that the bickering and hostility have gotten pretty annoying.
But I find the Barbaro stuff disturbing and it’s still going on to this day (see Tracking Barbaro’s Brothers blog at Bloodhorse).
I’m of the opinion those folks need some serious grief counseling as they’re not getting to the “acceptance, get on with your life” stage that they should’ve gotten to a long time ago. Then there’s the issue that an emotionally healthy person wouldn’t have grieved over a racehorse as if he were human (or a beloved family pet) at all.
And before anybody accuses me of being heartless, I am NOT saying that we should not have felt sadness at his injury and death. But I am saying that the Barbaro folks of which Mr. Zast speaks are displaying an unhealthy attachment to a dead animal that most of them never even “met”. It’s not only creepily wacky, it’s also just plain selfish. Did it ever occur to them that their continued clingy behavior may be preventing Barbaro’s owners from truly getting past what happened?
Anyhow, I salute you for both these columns Mr. Zast. Somebody had to say it.
19 Nov 2010 at 04:48 am | #
Theresa.
Will try to say this in a nice way. Horses, unlike humans, are like most animals, pets, etc., in that they love you, unconditionally. I know the connections of Ruffian, and Foolish Pleasure, and they are today never the same since that fateful day. People grieve in their own time span, but sometimes all the kings horses and all the kings men can’t put that heart back together. If you’ve been around these most magnificent creatures, you would know. You would just know.
19 Nov 2010 at 05:40 am | #
I used to be in the medical field, ophthalmology. When a patient was problematic and wacky we’d write a hidden message on the chart for future reference to all that followed in service to the patient—“STUN”
“STUN” = NUTS backwards
I LOVE my cat and although she often exhibits “human” tendencies, I recognize the fact the she’s still just a cat.
Love racing and the horses, but these obessives go to the extreme, making up for all they lack in real life. They get a “STUN” tatoo inside their lip.
Zast, your article was on point!
19 Nov 2010 at 06:07 am | #
Glad to SEE you’re no longer in it, since you can’t spell it, or “obessives” ?
19 Nov 2010 at 06:32 am | #
My glasses are MIA. Rather be visually impaired than NUTS!
19 Nov 2010 at 06:47 am | #
Let’s see… It seems to me that someone else was considered “nuts” among other things and his name was Einstein. I guess many here who are not in favor of Vic’s comments towards racing fans with compassion for the real stars of the show are in good company.
I have had dogs for years and would never trade the type of friendship they have given me over the years. Your are correct, they are not human because if they were, they would be cynical,judgemental and lack compassion just as their human counterparts have become.
19 Nov 2010 at 10:52 am | #
I’m a gambler. That’s far and away the primary reason I’m interested in horseracing. but occassionally racing transcends itself. Whatever it is, I can’t watch Secretariat’s Belmont without getting goosebumps and tearing up. And although over the years I’ve come to “like” certain horses none ever elicited a similar response until Zenyatta. And apparently there are many others who felt the same. I’m no PETA member. I think they can be fanatical. And fanaticism, in any of the many forms it can take, is one of the more unattractive human expressions. I believe in Man’s right to use animals in a responsible way. But I also believe the experience, the inner life, the awareness of animals is much greater than we give them credit for.I think we underestimate the level of communication and connection between animals and humans. Once in awhile that reality is made manifest by a Thoroughbred. Vic, maybe it would have been more positive to explored that aspect of the Zenyatta phenomenon.
19 Nov 2010 at 02:52 pm | #
The connection between animals and humans is a good topic for a future column, Kyle. Thanks for the suggestion.
For now, however, I believe the fanaticism that people have shown for Barbaro, Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta reflects the current condition of the horse racing universe. The trend is noteworthy.
Tamme Smith commented that she thought the emergence of the Internet was a prime contributor to hyper-adulation. That, too, would make for a good topic.
But the question is, “Have the insults been wrung out of the audience?” Perhaps Pablum is the better part of valor for awhile.
19 Nov 2010 at 07:49 pm | #
Vic, that sounds like a riveting lineup; I’ll be on edge.
DPAME, “used to be in the medical field.” How scary is that?
Alex Maronic, Schimanske is a helluva man. You’re right. Stopped an armed robbery several years ago in Miami by cold-cocking the bad guy and sending the gun to the floor. Geno couldn’t hold his jock strap, yet sued him over “allegedly” ripping up those PTUSAs, which carry a $0 price tag. Bad representation led to that creepy little crum/bum greatly complicating a good man’s life.
Theresa, you’re still sitting at the children’s table. Maybe it’s best to be seen and not heard until you a.) show better judgment in your heroes and b.) have actually invested or accomplished something in this game.
Vic, write about Schimanske.
19 Nov 2010 at 08:23 pm | #
Anne:
Yes that is Bug Juice. It’s amazing that the Saratogian would write a column on the Delta Jackpot, and not one word be mentioned about one of the starters who is a New York-bred, New York Futurity winner owned by a third-generation Saratogian. How does that happen?
Maybe we’ll hear in during TVG’s interview with the gelding’s owner before tomorrow night’s race. Maybe there’s way too much I-like-the-3, couch-potato, here’s-what-I-think-about-that journalism with the turf writers? What happened to pounding a little shedrow, making a few calls, keeping track of your beat? What happened to competition?
Penny for your thoughts, Vic. Maybe that’s a column. Kyle, I know you would have had it.
19 Nov 2010 at 10:31 pm | #
RE Posts 27 and 29: You nice people obviously don’t know what you are talking about. You have a narrow view because of limited capacity for being able to research and discern the truth. The FOB (Fans of BARBARO) do not “grieve for a dead horse.” The FOB do a lot of good in raising money for rescues, anti-slaughter awareness (we will address this where YOU’RE concerned a bit later), Laminitis research (over $1,000,000 raised thus-far), and other philanthropic endeavours. They do this to CELEBRATE the legacy of one courageous and outstandingly inspiring racehorse. Most of them read daily reports during his remarkable fight for life. A fight that he almost won, had his condition not taken an unexpected turn for the worse in December of 2006. During that time, they also learned a lot about each other, and formed friendships that remain strong to this very day. They ARE devoted to the causes of BARBARO’s legacy. They are doing something good in this too often cruel, and heartless world. If you call that STUN, then there is something very wrong.
Usually it is people who are active among the pro-slaughter crowd who have such virulent objection to the FOB. They will do anything they can to discredit and mock them...all in a vain effort to demoralize, and thus neutralize their efforts. If you are two of those, then, shame on you. You are soul-less and cruel...and are to be pitied. May your black intentions be exposed and your efforts thwarted.
If you are not...if you are simply ignorant of what the FOB are REALLY all about, then please feel free to visit with us, and find out what we are all about.
But Pa-leeeeeze...if nothing else, get THIS clue. The FOB do not grieve and linger on his death. The FOB C E L E B R A T E all of the outstanding qualities of BARBARO’s LIFE and accomplishments as a great champion. We CELEBRATE his legacy, promote good works, and remember him with honor and affection. If this is something that sounds worthy of you time, then you are most welcome.
I hope this dissertation helps you to understand...so that you will not embarrass yourselves again by making ignorant baseless statements.
Kindest Regards,
Your FOB Fren, O
20 Nov 2010 at 09:45 am | #
Vic, the bi-polar condition is obviously no longer in remission. I’d suggest you talk to Dutrow or Assmussen. They have something that will make you feel real good.
20 Nov 2010 at 10:54 am | #
Vic, the Internet has been a fantastic recourse for information and research. But, it has joined itself at the hip with talk radio as the single most divisive and insidious advent of modern life.
As publishing begins to fade into the woodwork of society, the lines between what used to be deemed to be worthy of publication and what appears on the Internet becomes blurred.
In the past, because publishing limited due in great part to its expense, editors were very careful about what they deemed fit to print. They performed a great service for society by weeding out the nonsense.
But in the future, because the Internet allows for inexpensive to free publishling, society will be forced to wade through a lot of crap.
Today, intelligent people can still figure out the difference between well-written, well-researched pieces and Internet trash.
But the real challenge comes starting in the next generation, when all newspapers and most magazines will not be printed, but published on line.
As the great modern philospher Mr. T might say, “I pity those people in the future that must get their news on line.”
I am retiring from posting in the future on line because I think it is futile and there are too many mean-spirited and uninformed people out there.
Anonimity is a big problem.
Bye bye.
20 Nov 2010 at 11:12 am | #
Vic,
Keeping it real. Just sayin…
Please keep writing those heartfelt Zenyatta articles (as your ballot has Curlin, Rachel and Blame on them).
Nothing like a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
I’ll tell you one thing. A 19-0 east coast racemare would of already been named “Horse of the Year”, before going into the 2010 Breeders Cup Classic. Remember when another horse was already named 2009 “Horse of the Year” before the 2009 Breeders Cup Classic. We all remember that, right? When Zenyatta was denied a head-2-head matchup with Rachel Alexandra in the 2009 Breeders Cup Classic. Who did we always reward when Rachel ran and hid from Zenyatta all her life (Classic/Apple Blossom). We rewarded Jess Jackson and his entourage for not competing against Zenyatta on the biggest stage in racing (Breeders Cup/Apple Blossom)
Remember when Zenyatta was never good enough when she went 7-0 in 2008. We rewarded Curlin the award for the second year in a row. Curlin couldn’t accomplished what Zentyatta did. Zenyatta finished first and second in the Breeders Cup Classic. This is a classic example of how hard it is to run on synthetic and dirt (against males).
20 Nov 2010 at 11:25 am | #
Guy made my case!
20 Nov 2010 at 11:32 am | #
Wow...adults here?
We may not always agree with one-another, but that is what a forum is about...an exchange of ideas. Granted, the discussion is likely to become spirited, but, Sheeeesh...the venom and filth, coupled with the degree of digression is sad.
Vic, I do not agree with you, but I am grateful that you have graciously offered this forum. Thank you for the opportunity to air my opinion, to partake in the discussion, and to hopefully persuade those with whom I disagree, to at least take a look at another point of view.
To those who would bring vulgar profanity to this discussion, let shame and regret be your comeuppance. For someday you will see that you have lowered yourself. People shouldn’t do that. More’s the pity.
Your FOB Fren, O
20 Nov 2010 at 11:41 am | #
Barry Irwin,
Is that you Mike Watchmaker?
20 Nov 2010 at 11:46 am | #
Is this Vic’s forum to offer, or is Vic a pedantic backrow sniper/critic who, somehow, for some reason, has been given a podium.
Lacking the experience and perspective of Pricci, the grace and class of Cristine ... Dispensing perfume samples has taken Vic a long way in this business.
Just a thought: Maybe it’s the podium, not Vic, that is important.
Maybe it would be better to change the speaker, giving it to someone who can inform the public and comment on what’s going on in this industry?
“Horse Racing Insider,” or “Insider Wanna Be,” quick to talk about things like handle—what fan cares about that as long as his bets are paid off?—without talking about capital expenditures, union contracts, restricted budgets, etc.,.
Does he have a clue about those things, has he thought of finding out, does he even know who to ask?
20 Nov 2010 at 12:12 pm | #
Bob, I don’t receive the Saratogian since I am outside of Saratoga. My paper is the Post Star and unless it is summer we are lucky to receive the Belmont,Aqueduct results. The Post Star won’t even use any articles I suggest. Cancelling them soon.
Let’s go Bug Juice… Thanks for the reply.
Nothing really excites some of these turfwriters but controversy. If it wasn’t for their style of writing which is witch hunts, no one would read their articles. Give me the the ones who actually go into the trenches such as the Dave Grening’s, Mike Welsh’s, Jay Hovdey’s, any day. They are way ahead of the closed minded journalist’s who use their opinion only, puplished material.
20 Nov 2010 at 12:35 pm | #
Hope you will now accept Jim C.’s apology, the lynch mob disbands, and we can all move on.
20 Nov 2010 at 03:06 pm | #
Reminder:
The weekly meeting of the Pecan Pickers and Chowder Marching Society reconvenes Sunday morning at 9:30 am. You can catch it on http://www.capitalotb.com if you don’t live in New York’s Capital District.
Feel free to call in and hammer the hosts. One free epithet per caller.
See you there!
20 Nov 2010 at 04:46 pm | #
Dear Mr. Zast:
I really thought you should have quit while you were behind. You wrote this:
“But the question is, “Have the insults been wrung out of the audience?” Perhaps Pablum is the better part of valor for awhile.”
Don’t you think this is just asking for trouble? Do you think you are better than us?
Of course the insults are wrong, but the manner in which you made your attack, behind your pseudo intellectual holier than thou persona makes people want to puke (sorry, I don’t know how to spell puke).
I have more respect for people who come straight to the point of what they want to say, rather than beat around the bush with what they think are witty phrases. Do you think all people are stupid? We are not. What you mean shines through. Stop kidding yourself, get off your high horse (or in the case of Blame, your inferior horse), and be a man, and say what you mean. Enough is enough. Talk about your passive aggressive. Who me? Vic Zast? Why are they attacking me? Be serious.
Sincerely,
Top Turf Teddy
20 Nov 2010 at 07:39 pm | #
Re: 38 and 39.
I guess those who morn for the “good old days” in journalism don’t remember when Dan Rather and his editors on 60 Minutes tried to foist a forged and completely bogus memo on the American public with the clear intent to destroy a sitting American President.
Who the heck caught him and exposed his fraud on the American people?
It sure wasn’t those “ editors were very careful about what they deemed fit to print.”
They performed no “a great service for society by weeding out the nonsense.” The simply bought into the lie.
Fact is, if it had NOT been for the bloggers and the Internet, that slander would have gone down in history as fact.
You say it’s bad that “news” is no longer filtered? I say it’s a darn good thing in this day of media consolidation into the hands of right and left wing wackos that we DO have a free and vibrant internet to keep the Dan Rathers of the world’s feet to the fire.
On the OTHER hand, when I see comments like “Who did we always reward when Rachel ran and hid from Zenyatta all her life (Classic/Apple Blossom)” I’m thinking while censorship and filtering is to be avoided at all costs, we WOULD benefit from an impartial “fact checking” service like some news organizations use in political campaigns.
Perhaps automated so that any comment posted on any forum on the Internet would receive a rating of “true”, “partially true” or “liar liar pants on fire”.
Said automated rating could reduced to a letter grade or better still an emoticon and embedded in the article or comment so as to alert the reader as to the validity of the facts contained in the comment or article.
20 Nov 2010 at 08:49 pm | #
No problem Mr. Kling. I have better things to do on Sunday morning than listen to you two and look at those smug looks on your faces. Besides...you hate women who know a little more than you. I know, since many a letter has gone unanswered dealing with certain races that you actually knew nothing about or your half read it on air adding your own comments.
See you need to get right in there after a race...listen to what the jock is saying to the trainer and possibly the owner, watching workouts,calling up trainers etc… not sit at a desk and pretend to know it all while looking up information on your computer at the same time. So… yes, I have to go shopping… do the women things. Let the novice bettors watch your show since the real racing enthusiast has better things to do. Oh, the pecan humor wasn’t funny the first time.
20 Nov 2010 at 11:40 pm | #
Anne,
My kind of gal. Holler to me at . Still going to buy that drink for you at jim dandy. Happy shopping.
21 Nov 2010 at 04:49 am | #
Anne,
You must have the wrong license plate. We almost never get letters, perhaps 1-2 per year.
You must be thinking of some other show.
21 Nov 2010 at 11:08 am | #
How do the number of letters you receive compare to the number of viewers you get, Pecans?
A couple of stiffs telling you they like the 3, that the takeout is too high, that handle is down, that you can’t decide who to pick in a field of more than 8 ... that about wraps up the programming, doesn’t it?
Here’s a thought, using just oen recent case as a topic: How about a report on much money went down on Life at Ten, where were the gimmick bets cashed, how did those tickets read and was Life at Ten’s number excluded, why didn’t Pletcher contact a vet himself before the race, why was the owner’s $60,000 entry fee so cavalierly dismissed by her trainer, ...
You’re an insider, aren’t you? You have contacts, don’t you? Maybe your abilities don’t match up with the forum? That free lunch and free parking and free admission and TV appearance fee and occasional racetrack graff would be hard to let go of, wouldn’t it?
How about a little performance from the Nick and Vic clique?
21 Nov 2010 at 01:24 pm | #
Oh Nick, Nick...I save my emails that I send...but good try.
You see, Bob, only a handful of these people actually view these early morning workouts or have discussions with trainers and owners. In other words get into the trenches. Most are just hired as journalists for this sport and rarely leave their desks and computers. They are considered top notch if they receive hits on their sites without the powers at be reading them to see how “we” the fans feel towards their articles and the comments the journalist throws back at us. One publication I had some issues with, stated that the journalist in question did indeed have strong opinions and that is why he was hired. The word to remember here is “opinion”. Which means...they are no more qualified than you or I who also have been in this business for a long time. Not that we are ancient but we do have knowledge of this sport.
21 Nov 2010 at 04:42 pm | #
Well, Vic, perhaps next time avoid the headline “Psycho Talk”. Just a thought.
Here’s what I don’t understand - racing columnists that have been around for a long time talk about how Secretariat lifted a nation’s spirits, how he was a distraction from Watergate, Vietnam, how people openly wept (including some very famous athletes and celebrities) when he won the Belmont. So why are these same columnists mocking the fans of Z, Rachel, etc?
I was 10 years old in ‘73 and vividly remember Big Red. I still get goose bumps when I watch the tape of the 1973 Belmont. I still get goose bumps when I see the tape of Forego winning the Marlboro Cup, Alysheba’s near fall in the Derby, Cigar in Dubai, Afleet Alex in the Preakness...and yes, I get goose bumps watching Zenyatta. I get even teary-eyed. All my life I suffered from an extremely painful and progressive disease—but watching these great animals takes away the pain (however fleeting that might be) for a few minutes.
I am forever grateful that as a little girl, my father taught me how to read the Daily Racing Form. I am forever grateful that as a little girl I was able to go to the track during the summer. I am forever grateful I met some wonderful people associated with the sport. Horse racing is in my blood...those famous four legged athletes are in my blood and I will never lose my passion for the sport or them.
So go ahead, Vic—let me have it, dude.
21 Nov 2010 at 09:34 pm | #
Laurie,
Can tell like me you are a hopeless romantic re: these most magnificent creatures. What a sweetheart and hope you are doing well. I am relatively new to JP’s site. Will not be reading or chiming in anymore on Vic’s blog, on JP’s and BC’s, yes. U can contact me at yahoo.com. This site has however allowed the opportunity to hear people like yourself, Anne, TTT, and Bob Smollen, those who truly care about these steeds and the industry.
22 Nov 2010 at 12:01 am | #
Mr. Zast, my reading comprehension is actually quite good. I understood the point of your article. But to entitle it “Psychos” and then add insult to inury by calling fans “internuts” is not exactly civil either. Do not be amazed when people respond in kind. You cannot have it both ways. As for the psychiatrist’s professional opinion, it can be taken with a grain of salt. A true professional would not have ventured there, and painted all fans with the same brush. In fact, it was distinctly unprofessional for her to do so (I am in one of the medical professions by the way). I think you could have approached this topic from a less confrontational perspective. One last point, all sports have rabid fans. To find out that horse racing is no different, shouldn’t be a revelation.
22 Nov 2010 at 12:24 am | #
Well Laurie and Paula, hopefully you have given Mr.Vic the true meaning of loving this game. Not always for the betting end but the stars themselves, the horses. Just going to the barn in the mornings or evenings and petting them one at a time...with pepperments (of course) is without a doubt soothing as well as rewarding.
Fans come in many sizes, ages and genders but we all have one thing in common and that is our love for the thoroughbred themselves. Tears a plenty at times,you betcha! They touch our hearts and souls but in order to be touched you have to have a heart and a soul. Maybe someday the likes of this journalist and others who we all know very well...with learn what it takes to be human.
22 Nov 2010 at 06:01 am | #
Anne,
You said letters, which are documents written on paper and sent via snail mail. You didn’t say email, which, by definition, is electronic mail.
As Rush Limbaugh often says, “Words mean things.” Letters are not email.
We almost never get written letters, and I can’t recall the last which dealt with an on-air issue. We get email all the time, which is dealt with as time between live human beings calling the show allows. If email was read verbatim on our show, or any other, people would be turning off their televisions all over the Capital District.
Nevertheless, I categorically challenge your assertion we “hate women who know a little more than you.” I defy you, or anyone else, to demonstrate where any woman was treated any differently than male callers or emailers.
We love debate and disagreement on Trackfacts. The only thing expected of callers or emailers is they have something resembling a fact to back-up their opinions.
We do not allow people to defame someone just because they feel like doing so. When we get callers who claim trainer A is a cheater or the stewards are crooks they are disconnected quickly unless they have facts immediately at hand.
You save your email? Good. Send it to me either via the email address on the show, or via the email address you can get by going to the horseracing link at http://www.troyrecord.com. I’d love to see your alleged email we ignored because it was about “with certain races that you actually knew nothing about or your half read it on air adding your own comments.”
The entire premise of good television is to be informative, interesting, and at times, controversial. Hence, it would be counterproductive to exclude differing opinions. I’ll leave it to the viewers to decide how well we meet that standard. Given the volume of calls and email we get, I’d say your experience is in a small minority.
22 Nov 2010 at 10:40 am | #
I apologize in advance for misspellings and grammatical errors. Unlike you, I do not claim to write professionally.
Like a drowning man, fans today will desperately grasp at anything good developing from this putrid industry. Like food to a starving man, these horses arrived when the racing industry is slowly but SURELY dying. Most who enjoy the sport & the wagering are sickened by what is offered every day. An industry that uses drugs & legalized theft to keep horses running & fans betting.
R & Z are something clean & pure that have risen in a cesspool called racing. Imagine if this happened in politics or business? Something pure & clean that actually returned as much as they got from the people?
Maybe your age is showing more than you expected, ole top. It is a very dirty business & it starts to stick after extended exposure. Jaded & calloused are a couple of words that come to mind.
22 Nov 2010 at 02:06 pm | #
Paula Higgins says:
“ all sports have rabid fans. To find out that horse racing is no different, shouldn’t be a revelation.”
No, but it IS a disappointment.
22 Nov 2010 at 03:58 pm | #
Pecans, thanks for the knowledge: “Letters are documents written on paper.”
Great stuff.
And I love this one: “People would be turning off their televisons all over the Capital District.”
That big an audience, that compelling a show, ...
Clearly you are not the slouch we figured you for, and picking on Anne is a great idea, too.
Have another cheeseburger, or whatever is on the buffet, and stick to handicapping.