(CHICAGO, IL – November 10, 2008) Walking home from Grant Park on election night, with an uncharacteristically warm November breeze at my back, I couldn’t help but think how everything blew right with Barack Obama’s campaign and that, if there’s even a bit of a favorable wind on his side, things might change for the better.
The morning’s newspapers – excluding those you couldn’t find at your street corner dispensing machine, the Seven-Eleven or the Shell filling station – were all about the president-elect’s victory speech; the people in attendance including Spike Lee and Oprah Winfrey; the whiff of a new puppy for the White House and, to a greater extent, the past. By the past is meant how African-Americans have longed for this day, not so much about what they might do after it.
Oh, sure. There were the clichés about providing our country’s youth with proof that even the most prejudiced among us can be president. Lovey Smith, the Bears’ coach, surrendered his predictably stoic demeanor and the Rev. Jesse Jackson let tears of joy run down his face. “You don’t know exactly how to act because you’ve never been in that situation,” explained Smith to reporters. “When you have a first like that, it’s just big,” the humbled man said.
At first it seemed strange to me how all of a sudden Obama’s race became the central story of the election results. Obama’s bi-racial ancestry didn’t seem such a factor when inexperience, sordid colleagues and his liberal leanings were getting pounded on. Perhaps it’s because I’m a white man and the McCain/Palin slurs were veiled insults that closeted racists get, but not the rest of us. Or maybe I, like the millions of enraptured voters in blue states, had had enough of being neglected.
Obama’s from-the-bottom-up strategy for turning the economy around and making government a functioning service for the taxpayer, instead of a money pit, was a message that sounded sound to me. As a former CEO of a $250 million company and now an owner of a small manufacturing business, I know “trickle down” occurs only at Flomax moments. You can’t kid a kidder, in other words.
In the past year or two, there has been a smattering of well-intended fresh efforts to allow horse racing fans to participate more in the sport. A few individuals, such as Michael Amo of Thoroughbred Racing Fan Association (Thorofan) and Jeff Platt of Horseplayers Association of North America (HANA), are pioneers in the grass roots movement. Thorofan is attempting to rein members in by offering a mish-mash of meaningless benefits in return for a double-sawbuck. Membership in Platt’s organization, more aimed at the serious bettor, is, ironically, free. The enrollment process isn’t reaping the results either man expected.
Both entities have struggled to organize a membership of consequence. Collectively, the two groups account for fewer than 500 members, which is hardly representative of the 29 million Americans that identify themselves as horse racing fans. The meager results may be caused by the groups’ fuzzy agendas. There is no tangible benefit which stands out among the platitudinous campaign promises expressed by their recruiters. Moreover, it’s likely the audience considers the sport hard of listening.
“It would seem to me that if we can get a critical mass together, a solid voice (in the industry) can be gained,” said Amo, who concedes that attracting members hasn’t been as easy as getting encouragement. “I went to Keeneland, met with the folks there, met with TOBA (Thoroughbred Breeders and Owners Association), and they seem to think the idea is a good one,” he said, failing to identify the idea. “We’re going to continue to talk,” Amo said. Talk, of course, is how the establishment defines progress.
Well, one idea that might move some people toward membership, as well as toward the belief that they can be part of something, has to do with one of the sport’s end-of-the-year traditions. Amo and Platt should call for the National Thoroughbred Racing Association (NTRA) to shift its Eclipse Awards voting rights to fans. The NTRA is one of three entities called upon each fall to cast ballots. The others are the Daily Racing Form (DRF) and the National Turf Writers Association (NTWA). Both the DRF and the NTWA have a legitimate claim to the vote; the NTRA does not.
Long ago, the NTRA became a legislative force instead of a unified marketing arm of the industry. Unlike the fans, whose primary focus is on what’s happening on the racetracks, the NTRA is concerned with what’s happening in the backrooms of Congress and the bowels of the Breeders’ Cup. Recently, NTRA president Alex Waldrop went on record stating that his organization cares about what the fans think. Toward creating a stronger bond with the public, he began asking for feedback and forming his own fan-based advisory team.
I’m not suggesting a frivolous hand-over of the Eclipse Award voting rights, although I see nothing wrong with an Internet election without prejudice to anyone. On the other hand, for the sake of moving slowly (the preferred pace at which the sport operates), voters could be made to qualify for the ballot by holding bona fide membership in one of the organized fan groups. The groups would have to prove that they have the support of their members. The eligibility requirement for any fan-based group to participate in the vote would include proving it had a sizable registered representation that was worthy of casting the public’s opinion.
Granted, bestowing Eclipse Award voting rights to its members is not a priority that groups such as Thorofan or HANA have considered. But if the organizers of these groups are serious about giving their members a voice in the industry, this is one way to begin. At the same time, this simple accommodation - almost a meaningless perk to the NTRA - would enable the sport to prove it’s hip to the “from-the-bottom-up” movement.
10 Nov 2008 at 03:01 am | #
Vic,
Michael Amo appears to be an earnest, straightforward individual. Having said that, I can’t shake the notion that Thorofan is the chamber of commerce version of what a fan organization ought to be.
Pasted below is a link to the page containing its board and other contributors. I’d recommend readers take a look. It appears to be heavily-laden with business and political types. I wonder how many of them lust to handicap and wager like, say, Cary Fotias. My guess? Not many.
http://www.thorofan.com/board.html
Maybe I’m wrong. I hope so.
10 Nov 2008 at 03:13 am | #
I’m sure that you known my opinion on the Eclipse Awards, and if you don’t you would be right on target with an educated guess.
How involving ‘fans’ in the voting process will achieve anything has be flummoxed. I cannot name the categories involved, and other than knowing last year’s HOTY I haven’t a clue what horse won what award last year, nor am I interested in knowing.
Many said that McCain was out of touch; I am inclined to believe that many turf writers are also out of touch.
To determine just how many horseplayers are concerned with the Eclipse Awards, visit the local OTB and ask a regular what he thinks of this year’s Eclipse Awards. If you get a blank stare, move on to another regular; if he looks at you like you are a space alien, go to a third person and ask him who he likes in the next race - now you will be involved in animated conversation.
I actually feel sorry for the National Handicapping Champion who must attend the Awards ceremony to get his trophy/plaque; he is the only person there who enters a racetrack through the front entrance, having paid for parking and admission. Everyone else in attendance enters a racetrack via the backstretch, having flashed their owners, trainers, or press pass for free admission. The NHC winner is about as comfortable at the ceremony as a guy at a bridal shower.
I do not know who created the Eclipse Awards; it had to be an owner or a turf writer. Same with the Experimental Highweight whatever. Now, if an organization got its members to handicap a daily race card, informing us lowlifes of the probable winners, I would be all ears.
10 Nov 2008 at 03:58 am | #
I seriously doubt that most of the NTWA members are qualified to vote for Eclipse Awards. How many of them now cover racing exclusively? I think there are about five or so who do so for newspapers and the rest cover the game only during the Triple Crown and, maybe, the Breeders’ Cup. Hell, I understand there were more foreign press covering this year’s BC than domestic and that will surely be the case again next year.
I think your proposal to involve the fans makes sense, as most of us pay far more attention to racing than many of the voters. And the idea of requiring membership in one of the organizations is a good way to stimulate growth. The most passionate fans are the ones who will want a voice in the voting and those are the ones who need to be in these groups.
10 Nov 2008 at 04:42 am | #
Hi Vic:
Great idea! I’d love to see fans get more of a voice in the end of the year awards.
Another fan based group that you might want to check out is the Self Appointed Fan Committee. They have been doing an excellent job collecting feedback from fans and getting it in the hands of industry leaders.
Here is the website: http://selfappointedfancommittee.com/
I enjoy your work. Thanks, Kevin
10 Nov 2008 at 05:33 am | #
Must agree with wmcorrow, the Eclipse awrds go right over the heads of most people. Also, consider that the Academy Awards are voted only by those in the trade, but the AA gets publicity, the Eclipse does not. Public voting will not help horseracing.
Whats that about NTRA being a legislative “force”? The NTRA has never been a force for anything, except spending money to no good purpose. The NTRA has been a failure since the original idea was hijacked from Fred Pope and morphed into what it is today. In the Thoroughbred business it has been made a sacred cow. Time that cow was taken to slaughter.
10 Nov 2008 at 06:03 am | #
Dear Eric: For the sake of disclosure, please note that I am a member of the Board of Directors of the National Turf Writers Association (NTWA).
You are correct that many of the NTWA’s members have assignments in addition to their horse racing coverage. But this is not unusual. In fact, baseball, football and basketball writers at many newspapers also cover other sports. To say that a writer is only qualified for a vote if he devotes his full attention to horse racing suggests that only votes by fans that spend 100 percent of their time at the track or the simulcast theater should count, and we know that’s not the case.
You also are correct that there were many European writers in the press box at the Breeders’ Cup. But there were 682 people issued media credentials and the majority of those people were writers who cover the sport on a regular basis here in North America. Seeing horses in competition is the best way to determine which horse is the most worthy award recipient. But watching horses work out in the morning, talking to their trainers, understanding what took place in the race by interviewing jockeys – all contribute to the evaluation process. The NTWA includes members who are writers for the DRF, the Blood-Horse and Thoroughbred Times, as well as writers for the NY Times, Washington Post, USA Today, LA Times and Sports Illustrated. These writers have access and research capabilities that bloggers and fans don’t.
Lastly, the NTWA member has been conscientious in serving the sport. It’s the turf writer that takes the lead position on most crucial issues and expresses the opinions of fans in his writing. A large percentage of NTWA members have seen each of the Eclipse Award nominees in action and many have seen the leading contenders in the upcoming election more than once. They are the best surrogates of the fans, if the fans themselves are not represented on their own. More than 80 percent of NTWA exercise their right to vote, by the way.
Having made these points, this NTWA member agrees to cast my Eclipse Award vote for Horse of the Year in keeping with what fans tell me their choice is. Just send your choice (Zenyatta or Curlin) to me at . I’ll publish the best reasons in a future column or Fast Words.
10 Nov 2008 at 06:47 am | #
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the voters who cast their ballots under the banner of the NTRA the racing secretaries from its member tracks? If so, I don’t understand why they’ve suddenly become unqualified to make informed decisions on the Eclipse Awards. They’ve been casting ballots (formerly under the banner of the TRA) for year-end champions since 1950.
Recall that their awards carried equal cachet with the DRF from 1950 through 1970, which can not be said about the contemporary Turf & Sport Digest poll.
10 Nov 2008 at 06:52 am | #
As a bonafide fan of horse racing who makes no profit from the industry other than the occasional winning bet, I would love a chance to cast my vote in all categories of the Eclipse Awards. A true “fan” of the sport and not just a handicapper or gambler, knows the players and would deem it an honor in seeing that the most deserving players get rewarded for their deeds in a sport that is in dire need of heros.
Here in California there is an active fan committee that has been in existence for more than 15 years. They meet regularly with track management and people within the racing industry. Also many tracks have their own fan base system in place such as the Thoroughbreds at Santa Anita. Simple things like these could also be sources when seeking fans desiring a voice in the Eclipse Awards.
I’ve particpated in a lot of on line polls the last few years for fan favorites in the Eclipse voting and have noticed a lot of the fan favorites are not necessarily the industry voted Eclipse winners. We need to base the voting on more than purse money won, number of races won or simply winning a Breeders’ Cup race. Let the fans have a voice!
10 Nov 2008 at 07:03 am | #
Vic,
Thanks not only for making a positive suggestion for those who truly love the game and would like to be involved on some level, be it emotionally or intellectually, but for shaking the trees as usual.
What I don’t get, from what little feedback I receive, is that most everyone in the industry logs on to HRI every once in a while, but never has the leader of any organization responded to the issues raised here, positively or negatively.
Maybe your post will change all that.
Is it politics? Cynicism? Indifference? Or the hope that by ignoring us we’ll just go away.
John
10 Nov 2008 at 07:20 am | #
Eric,
Your contention “I seriously doubt that most of the NTWA members are qualified to vote for Eclipse Awards. How many of them now cover racing exclusively? I think there are about five or so who do so for newspapers and the rest cover the game only during the Triple Crown and, maybe, the Breeders’ Cup,” is not correct.
It’s not even close.
Here in the Albany-Saratoga region of New York, there are several who cover Thoroughbred racing exclusively year-round: John Pricci (Horseraceinsider.com), Bill Heller (Daily Gazette), Mike Veitch (Saratogian), and myself (Troy Record). None of us cover any other sport.
In my case, I write 170 full-length columns a year about racing (that’s almost one every other day), as well as handicap every NYRA racing day. Heller handicaps daily; Veitch writes 2 columns per week for the Saratogian and one for Daily Racing Form; and Pricci does his thing here.
In addition Tim Wilkin (Albany Times-Union) and Phil Janack (Daily Gazette) cover racing all year, albeit splitting time with other sports. In addition NTWA member Mark Cusano hosts a weekly television show about racing and covers nothing else.
Similar situations exist at other locations around the country.
Does that mean the public shouldn’t vote? Of course not. I encourage my readers to tell me every year how they feel about Eclipse voting and my Hall of Fame ballot. Several do.
What it means is you need to research your facts a little more before making sweepingly inaccurate statements.
10 Nov 2008 at 07:41 am | #
Vic
Great idea. As our logo says, “ giving the fan a voice” Thorofan strives to speak for its memebrs, the fans of Thoroughbbred racing. Using this voice to weigh in on the Eclipse awards makes sense. It clearly would give the committee an broader perspective, the perspective of every fan. Remember, the fan of Thoroughbred racing is not a monotlithic group. We range from owners, tainers and professional handicappers to casual fans who watch the big races and just love the breed. All our voices need to be heard, if our sport is to survive and lets hope grow.
Michael Amo
http://www.Thorofan.com
10 Nov 2008 at 08:28 am | #
Perhaps we could take a look at a system like they have for the Cartier Awards in Europe. 40% racing officials, 40% media, 10% fans, I believe.
The fans vote through either the Racing Post or Daily Telegraph, so they don’t even have to be “vetted”. Kind of gives a bias to English over French horses, but hey at least the fans get to vote!
10 Nov 2008 at 08:51 am | #
Good thoughts, Pimper. Here’s the point. The fans are paying for this sport. They deserve to have a voice in more situations than the mutuels. No one group decides Eclipse Award winners now, and the voting results in most divisions are overwhelmingly in favor of one horse anyhow. I’m not suggesting that fans only constitute the Eclipse Awards electorate.
My suggestion requires the fan to pay a price for voter eligibility. That price is membership in a bona fide fan-based organization. This requirement is to be sure that voting results aren’t overwhelmed by people without “skin in the game.” Besides, who says that the opinions of true, dedicated fans aren’t as valid as those of racing secretaries, track owners or lobbyists?
There are myriad ways to accomplish greater democracy within the ranks of all contributing members of the sport. Those are details who someone now in authority of the sport can figure out. But the establishment shouldn’t simply pay lip service to the promise that it wants more fan involvement. Put up or shut up.
10 Nov 2008 at 10:55 am | #
Vic and Nick,
I stand by my position on the NTWA members. I know a non-voting individual who fills out at least 5-6 ballots a year for NTWA members who don’t feel qualified enough to do it themselves and I doubt he is the only one assisting in the process.
Nick, you identify three newspaper writers above and I’m aware of three others - in Lexington, Louisville and New York. If there are others, please name them, because many turf writers have accepted buyouts in recent years or been let go altogether, only to be replaced by folks who cover the sport part-time or freelancers.
With the exception of Gene Stevens searching for free food, the press boxes at even the major tracks and events are like ghost towns nowdays. Even the Kentucky papers didn’t send anyone to Saratoga this year. And Gulfstream Park doesn’t even have a press box except for when they slap a sign on a suite to accommodate a handful of of mostly local scribes for the FOY and FL Derby.
The folks at the trades certainly cover the game on a regular basis, but very few of those writing about racing for daily papers do and it is painfully reflected in their work. To make matters worse, space seems to be dwindling for those who do know their stuff.
Eric
10 Nov 2008 at 11:29 am | #
Garrett Redmond: Thank you for seeing the light and understanding what racing is all about.
Mr. Zast: You comment: “The NTWA member has been conscientious in serving the sport. It’s the turf writer that takes the lead position on most crucial issues ......” Mr. Zast, are you serious? You guys ignore crucial issues, ‘cause you might offend the owners/trainers that you covet.
Thoroughbred racing is tanking, just about all racetracks are now on life-support from slot revenue, with NYRA tracks, Caldor, and Laurel soon to enjoy the benefits of slot revenue (thus making us bettors even more irrelevant).
Most of the above commentators are thrilled to get to vote on thoroughbreds that only benefit owners/trainers. I wonder how many of the above actually wager on horse racing, how many actually have an ADW account, and how many have been to a racetrack, OTB, or racino in the last few weeks.
With such enthusiasm for the Eclipse Awards by those commentators above, it should be clear why racing would be out of business if it weren’t for slot revenue.
Mr. Zast, please visit an OTB this week and inquire what the local players think of the Eclipse Awards; and ask Mr. Pricci to go along with you. And, while at the OTB, ask the lowlifes why they are there. I repeat, ask the lowlifes why they are there.
10 Nov 2008 at 02:11 pm | #
Eric,
Some of the people listed here write, some handicap, some edit, some do feature stories. Some work for papers, other racing magazines/websites, a few electronic media. I’ll leave it to others to determine any particular individual’s effectiveness or ability. That’s not for me to say. As of 2008, all were NTWA members.
Debbie Arrington, Frank Angst, Andy Beyer (he may have accepted a buyout, but he still writes), Jerry Bossert, Mike Brunker, Bill Christine, Sean and Joe Clancy, Steve Crist, Mark Cusano, Paul Daley, Steve Davidowitz, Pete Denk, Ed DeRosa, Richard Downey, Richard Eng, Mike Farrell, Bill Finley, Bob Fortus, Brad Free, Russ Harris, Steve Haskin, Bill Heller, Jay Hovdey, Mike Jensen, Dick Jerardi, Ray Kerrison, Tom Law, Dan Liebman, Jeff Lowe, Marty McGee, Ron Mitchell, Kevin Modesti, Bill Mooney, Bill Nack, Claire Novak, Tom Pedulla, Jay Privman, Jennie Rees, John Scheinman, Len Shulman, Mark Simon, Larry Stumes, Brad Telia, Hank Wesch, Gary West, Jon White, Vic Zeigel.
This is a partial list. If you would like to know any individual’s affiliation, just let me know.
I’d say, on the whole, this group is qualified to vote. Does that mean they’re more qualified than fans? That’s for someone other than me to decide.
10 Nov 2008 at 03:20 pm | #
Note to Nick Kling. Most, though not all, of the names you list are with our “trade press”. In that bondage (advertising pays their wages)they will always recognize the hand that feeds them. To expand the metaphor: they know which side their bread is buttered.
Consequently, their votes are going to favor their advertisers in any way they can. Example, for Horse of the Year, Zenyatta (Street Cry) or Curlin (Smart Strike)? ? It will depend if Darley or Lane’s End spent more advertising dollars in the past year or what they will spend in 2009 if favored.
The reality is, PEPPER’S PRIDE should be horse of the year. Eighteen (18) wins in a row -regardless of the ‘competition’ - is a fantastic achievement. Will it be recognised? As Eliza Dolittle said, “Not bloody likely”. The reason being, Pepper’s Pride is too ‘working class’.
10 Nov 2008 at 05:47 pm | #
Garrett is correct that Nick’s list contains very, very few full-time racing writers for daily newspapers and some are strictly freelancers. There are other NTWA members who cover racing from time to time for newspapers and those are the ones who need others to fill out their ballots because they only follow the sport during the Triple Crown and BC. Regardless, I suspect the newspaper folks are pretty far removed from any racing ad revenue. Garrett’s point is a valid concern for the trade scribes, though.
10 Nov 2008 at 08:17 pm | #
Vic said: “Besides, who says that the opinions of true, dedicated fans aren’t as valid as those of racing secretaries, track owners or lobbyists?”
Having personally seen the roll of Eclipse Award voters for the past several years, I don’t seem to recall guys like Charles Cella, Frank Stronach, or any track president on them, nor anyone whose name is so unfamiliar to me that I would presume they serve in a capacity other than media or racing officaldom. Perhaps you can enlighten us as to which track owners or lobbyists actually have a vote since I presume you, too, have had access to these rolls of voters.
10 Nov 2008 at 08:23 pm | #
Nice post Vic! I won’t get into the voting question (although it is an interesting question for fan based groups), but this line I think resonates why fans based groups do not “fly off the shelves” and I wanted to make a quick comment:
“Moreover, it’s likely the audience considers the sport hard of listening.”
I went to a zoning meeting once for a bad policy issue, which if you took a poll would have been soundly defeated. Wondering why people did not go to the sparsely attended meeting I was met with “they will do whatever they want, so it is a waste of time.”
Having been a fan for many years I think this is what plagues the racing fan. I understand that and I was one of them. But having joined HANA and been a part of it we are seeing some movement. After incorporating in early September we have increased membership in solid amounts. It’s all been done with no budget as well.
Anyway, just a short note to say that I think the worm might be turning a little bit. We’ll see what we can do, (and if we can get more horseplayer help).
If a couple of years from now we are all betting every track in one account, and if we so choose we are getting back 4 or 5 points and handle has risen, you’ll know we did good
Best, and I enjoy your writing.
Dean
11 Nov 2008 at 08:45 am | #
WOW VIC,YOU REALLY OPENED UP A CAN OF WORMS,I FOR ONE AM QUITE HAPPY THAT SO MANY PEOPLE CARED TO RESPOND REGARDLESS OF THEIR OPINIONS,AT LEAST IT LETS YOU KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE PAYING ATTENTION.THERE ARE SOME FANS QUALIFIED TO VOTE AND SOME TURF WRITERS WHO ARE NOT BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE WRITERS THAT I KNOW ARE QUALIFIED AND DO FOLLOW THE SPORT,I MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY BUT IF PUT ON THE SPOT MOST OF THEM WOULD BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEIR OPINIONS AND SELECTIONS. AS A FAN IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET SOME TYPE OF SAY IN THE VOTING,BUT I DOUBT THAT WILL HAPPEN IN MY LIFETIME.IF NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE,I ALWAYS LIKE TO MAKE MY OWN SELECTIONS AND COMPARE THEM TO THE EXPERTS.I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT MOST TIMES THE PROPER HORSES ARE AWARDED THE ECLIPSE AND ITS ALWAYS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO DISPUTE THE AWARD WINNERS IF THAT IS OUR DESIRE.
THANKS FOR BRINGING UP THE TOPIC.
11 Nov 2008 at 09:49 am | #
Garrett and Eric,
If you believe someone like Steve Haskin of the Bloodhorse casts his Eclipse ballot based on some corporate vision, you apparently haven’t spent much time reading his work. 95 percent of the people I have met in the racing media would laugh in the face of any editor or publisher who told them how to vote. If you don’t understand that you have a very warped view of human nature.
As for the comment about “freelancers,” what does that mean? Are you implying they don’t deserve to vote? Why? Isn’t that like saying a plumber is less qualified to vote for President than the general contractor who hires the plumber?
I’ve removed the names of “industry trades” people from my original list. The people on this revised list all write for newspapers or an unaffiliated website like this one. Some newspaper guys like Eng or Jerardi occasionally have pieces in the Racing Form, but that is not their primary job.
I don’t know if Bill Nack is currently working for a media outlet, but the notion he is not qualified to vote is so ridiculous it defies comment. So would the idea that Bill Christine is unqualified because he writes for this website, not a newspaper.
Debbie Arrington, Andy Beyer (he may have accepted a buyout, but he still writes for the Washington Post), Jerry Bossert, Mike Brunker, Bill Christine, Sean and Joe Clancy, Mark Cusano, Paul Daley, Steve Davidowitz, Richard Eng, Bill Finley, Bob Fortus, Russ Harris, Bill Heller, Mike Jensen, Dick Jerardi, Ray Kerrison, Kevin Modesti, Bill Nack, Tom Pedulla, Jennie Rees, John Scheinman, Larry Stumes, Brad Telias, Hank Wesch, Gary West, Vic Zeigel.
Let’s cut to the chase. Eric said, “there are about five or so who do so for newspapers.” There are more than two-dozen names on this revised list. Eric also had an anecdotal story about some non-voter filling out ballots for others.
Let’s name names boys. Who on the list here is not qualified to vote? Let’s go Eric. Who here doesn’t write for a newspaper? Give us your names Eric. Name the so-called mystery voter and the people he or she voted for. Anyone can invent stuff to fit their argument. Let’s have the facts.
I’ll repeat what I said before. None of this means fans shouldn’t have a mechanism to vote. However, I’ve had it up to here with anonymous internet writers taking trash with no facts.
Show us the facts boys.
11 Nov 2008 at 10:30 am | #
Nick,
The individual I know who completes multiple ballots has done so for years as a favor to those who realize they aren’t capable of making informed decisions. I credit them for seeking help and won’t embarrass anyone by divulging names. They know who they are.
As for the rest of the NTWA membership, I have a TPA/NTWA directory that is filled with those who cover the game part-time and their qualifications for voting on a horse’s body of work over the course of a year can be debated. Sadly, many of those who have left the dailies in recent years have been replaced by those whose professional lives have been devoted to covering other sports and they are only accepting racing assignments along with other duties to keep what few newspaper industry jobs remain.
Regarding your list, I think Vic Ziegal is a perfect example of someone who doesn’t follow the game regularly. Personally, I love his work and enjoy it immensely when he does cover the game. But to suggest that he is following it closely year-round is absurd. If you believe that checking in occasionally to write about the TC or BC gives one sufficient knowledge to vote for Eclipse Awards, then so be it.
As for fans voting, I agree and believe that most of those who would care enough to want to vote are following racing much more closely than many NTWA members.
Eric
11 Nov 2008 at 10:51 am | #
Find me a dozen bettors at any OTB, racino, or even at the racetrack who gives a hoot about the Eclipse Awards.
I, truly, do not have a clue what most of the above commentators are saying.
Also, find me a dozen bettors who cares who voted for what!
People, today, wagering on the horses are looking to cash tickets, not what horse is HOTY, sprint champ, turf champ, or whatever.
You turf writers have created your own little world, where you vote, talk, eat well, and give each other a plaque.
You turf writers should be very thankful that slot machines are being installed at most racetracks, thus keeping you in business for a few more years, allowing you to write about the new year’s up and coming three-year-olds who might win the Kentucky Derby, their owners, and trainers.
In the meantime, us bettors are still wagering on the nags, but becoming less significant as slot revenue is now fueling purses coast-to-coast.
There is a great divide that has existed for years: on one side are the owners, trainers, jockeys, and turf writers; on the other side are us lowlifes who used to provide the profit for racetracks to stay in business (now replaced by slot revenue).
The turf writers, of course, had a choice: to direct their writing toward us lowlifes, or to write about owners, trainers, jockeys, et cetera. Us lowlifes provided limited fodder, so, and you can’t blame them, the turf writers chose the other side - unlimited fodder.
And the beat goes on .....
11 Nov 2008 at 11:40 am | #
Eric,
Quoting Denzel Washington, from the movie Philadelphia, “Explain this to me like I’m a two-year-old.”
Let’s say Ziegal covers the Triple Crown and Breeders’ Cup two months of the year. What’s he doing the other ten months?
Riding the rovers on Mars? Sitting on the rim of the Grand Canyon counting his belly button lint?
I doubt it. I’m guessing he is following the game like any other fan. So how does that make him unqualified to vote?
Wendell,
Here are a couple of tips: Ray Bradbury and Robert Heinlein.
Both write excellent science fiction and reading them could help your work.
11 Nov 2008 at 12:03 pm | #
Nick Kling: Like your comments on Ziegal: What’s he doing the other ten months is an excellent question. Couldn’t these comments apply to Breeders’ Cup LLC management? What will they be doing for the next ten months?
Does BC LLC own a golf course? The green fees and cart rentals they will be paying monthly should easily cover a mortgage payment on a golf course.
Thanks for the tips. I now spend my time reading the past performances in the evening for tomorrow’s race card at various tracks. I seek to cash tickets, not vote for owners’ horses.
I do appreciate your commentary and defense of turf writers; and the fact that you and Mr. Pricci put up with me.
May we both hit tomorrow’s double.
11 Nov 2008 at 01:52 pm | #
Nick,
You can follow Ziegal’s work to see what he’s doing the rest of the year. I doubt he has much time to pay attention to racing on a daily basis given all of the other sports he writes about that go head-to-head against it. If he is, indeed, following it like a fan, then he can vote with the rest of the fans as Vic proposes.
Eric
12 Nov 2008 at 06:29 am | #
Eric,
I’d say we’ve beaten this subject to death. Here is my final comment, but feel free to keep pounding away if you care to do so.
You last comment about Vic Ziegal is interesting, but didn’t answer my question. How is he less unqualified to vote than any other fan? Seldom do Eclipse awards come from racing on a “daily basis.”
Your initial comment was there are five or so qualified newspaper writers in the NTWA. My last list had about 28 names, and you found one to quibble about. If this were a legal matter, the judge would throw out your plaintiff suit for failing to establish a prima facie case.
Finally, your anecdotal story about the mystery Eclipse balloter is fine, and I have no reason to doubt your word. Nevertheless, it is inadmissible hearsay.
Lyndon Johnson told us a story about the Gulf of Tonkin, which proved untrue. Richard Nixon said he had a “secret plan” to end the Vietnam war. He didn’t. George W. Bush told us there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We didn’t find any. For all we know, or you know for that matter, without proof your ballot-marking friend could have been telling you a story.
NTWA members are equally qualified, no more, no less, than writers who vote for the MLB Hall of Fame, or cover other sports.
12 Nov 2008 at 06:36 pm | #
Special note to Nick Kling.
I don’t want to flog a dead horse, but you must be straightened on a couple of points.
What is this about “anonymous Internet writers”?
I use my given name. I may be a nobody, but I’m not anonymous.
My lack of understanding that turf writers are never influenced by editors/publishers means I have “ a warped view of human nature” ?? Baloney. In my eighty years, I claim to have developed a very acute view of human nature. If they want to keep their jobs, writers - not being the courageous journalists of fiction - do get the message. They will not do anything to possibly offend an advertiser. Heck, except for Ray Paulick,a newly-minted freeman, they will not write anything critical of The Jockey Club.
When I sued TJC on the right of Free Speech, only Bill Nack supported my case. Bill was then retired, so he certainly felt free to speak out. Not a peep from the “working” writers.
I cannot see that reading Steve Haskin throws any light on how he might vote. Actually, introducing his writing is rather irrelevant. Steve still believes Patti Hogan saved the life of “Smarty Jones” when the horse injured his eye. Maybe he still believes in Santa Clause.
This is my final word.. and I approved this message: “The Eclipse Awards mean nothing to ordinary race fans.”
14 Nov 2008 at 05:33 am | #
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14 Nov 2008 at 09:47 am | #
OK, OK, it’s now a time for healing people.
But I have something to say first. I don’t care for blanket indictments of groups. Each member of any group is an individual. That means, to use a recent analogy from another sport, it’s unfair to paint Jeremy Shockey and Drew Brees with the same brush because they both play for the Saints.
Let’s try in our criticism to be fair and accurate when possible, especially fair.
Not all turf writers are in the tank. I must say I personally resent the implication.
Respectfully,
John
27 Dec 2008 at 06:22 am | #
Why are you invoking mah name? Ah’ve been dead for many years. But since you woke me… Fans voting for Eclipse Awards is a douche-meister move. It is a gay old stupid thing. Everyone would do better to push for the elimination of Eclipse Awards, which are the least meaningful thing in our great nation. They compeltely s-u-c-k balls. They have little impact on anything. Fans voting for the length of suspensions for trainers would be something REALLY MEANINGFUL!!!
14 Jan 2009 at 01:49 pm | #
I love the guy who thinks and wrote that turf writers “have created your own little world, where you vote, talk, eat well, and give each other a plaque.”
You can’t really believe people that cover racing eat well.
And Garrett, with all due respect for your time and experience, there are writers who suck up to the money, sure, but if you read enough, you’ll figure out who they are. But you can’t throw a blanket over all of us and say we’re in bed.
To WMCORROW, many of us, when given the opportunity and support, have covered the business of racing as much as the next big 3-year-old. You say the writers have abandoned the bettors, but I don’t recall a lot of fans/bettors contacting me and asking me to write a story about their issues. Who knows? Maybe they weren’t reading, but if they weren’t, they were wasting the opportunity to have a voice in the industry because good reporters represent the interests of the reader, not, as was written, owner, trainers and breeders. Again, if you read them, you know who is who…
As for Eclipse voting, I only speak for myself, but if any of you believe you watch more stakes races than me a year, please, take my ballot. It’s yours. But I guarantee you: No way.