Perhaps the press didn’t take Team Valor International’s CEO seriously, or perhaps it was stunned by his charges that all trainers, except one, don’t communicate to owners truthfully and that partnerships like his haven’t been treated very well by the racetracks. But, whatever occurred, the one thing that Irwin got right isn’t splattered all over the horse racing news like the others.
Turf writers, like handicappers, thrive on statistics. The Derby is loaded with them. The race’s mystique prompts the belief that a code rules the outcome. The code spreads its influence wide, suggesting that victory is likely to elude horses that aren’t of a certain kind. Adhering to such belief, on the other hand, has never been more preposterous.
"If a turf writer paid attention to a horse like this and just looked at the horse like an individual, I think they would have figured out why he was a buyable force,” Irwin insisted toward the end of his stay on the dais. Yet, one wonders if the former LA turf writer really meant what he said, and what he might have said instead had his horse lost because he failed to adapt to the dirt or was under-experienced. Clearly, he knew that his runner stood on the wrong side of history or else he couldn’t have called out the facts about what Animal Kingdom accomplished so readily.
“We made a lot of history today,” Irwin told moderator John Asher, Vice President, Racing Communications for Churchill Downs, at the very outset of his inquisition. “This is the first horse that came to win this race with only four previous races since Exterminator in 1918 and the first horse to win after a six-week layoff since Needles in 1956,” he said, rattling off names and dates like a wolf in sheep’s clothes.
“This getting hung up on no turf horses have ever done this, no synthetic horses have ever done this – that kind of stuff, and getting bogged down in the statistics of the post position – no horse have ever won from the 19; maybe there’s never been a good horse in the 19,” the Team Valor International CEO rambled, obviously slighted. Irwin seemed miffed that his colt overlooked because the glove didn’t fit. And, if this was the case, who could blame him?
If nothing else, the last several Derbies have indicated that the past no longer seems prologue. The 2009 winner Mine That Bird failed to run in any of the five Grade 1 stakes preps, joining only four Derby winners in the last 60 years to accomplish their victories in Louisville without doing that. In 2008, Big Brown proved that a horse such as Animal Kingdom can win without entering a stakes as a two-year-old. In 2007, Street Sense beat the Breeders Cup Juvenile jinx.
The 2006 winner Barbaro rested five weeks before his Derby – inadvisable, experts said. In 2005, Giacomo didn’t hit the board in his Grade 1 Derby prep, considered a pre-requisite. A year earlier, Smarty Jones was the first unbeaten Derby winner since Seattle Slew in 1977; John Servis and Stuart Elliot, the first trainer/jockey combo to win in their first attempts – so much for knowing the way there. In 2003, Funny Cide became the first New York-bred ever and the first gelding since Clyde Van Dusen in 1929 to triumph. The year before, War Emblem became the only Illinois Derby winner to wear roses. Exceptions, not rules, have dominated the decade.
Considering the decade, Irwin had every right to make his point about naivete. What he could have said just as meaningfully is that everyone involved in the sport needed to see it for what it is, not for what it once was. The same factors that in recent years have turned the tables upside down in connecting a pattern to Derby success are influencing horse racing on a day to day basis.
Stamina has been bred out of horses (the dual Dosage Index score and Experimental Highweight ranking as a gauge has collapsed) and the careers of the sport’s most talented competitors rarely reach double figures in races contested. If they do, they’re careers that seldom make it to May or beyond June (Eskendereya, Eight Belles, Pioneerofthenile and Archarcharch). This is not your father’s sport and not your father’s Derby any longer. Things have changed to make the Derby any horse's horse race.
It’s been 33 years since a Triple Crown winner. Conditions seem ideal for one. Next May, please don’t listen to the reasons why certain horses can’t win at Churchill Downs. Take heed of what Irwin noted, even if he chose an occasion that should have been spent praising people instead of tearing them down. Irwin’s not on to something. He’s simply studied the decade more closely than others.
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16 May 2011 at 07:12 am | #
Don’t speak Irwinese, but perhaps all Mr. Irwin was trying to say was that it is impossible to rely on inadequate statistical samples with fluctuating factors; “It’s all a crock.”
In the owner/trainer relationship, perhaps all he meant was “caveat emptor,” which is applicable in all business transactions, because people do lie.
With respect to “plenty” of Turf Writers, it may not be my Father’s Derby, but what my Father taught me still applies today: “If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”
I’m sure Mr. Irwin and my Father would agree, for the record, all turf writers are not bastards, all trainers are not liars, but unfortunately, “It’s all a crock.”
On to the Preakness, and may the best liar win.
TTT
16 May 2011 at 07:26 am | #
“Perhaps the press didn’t take Team Valor International’s CEO seriously, or perhaps it was stunned by his charges that all trainers, except one don’t communicate to owners truthfully”
None of the track insiders or general public I have spoken with were “stunned” by Barry Irwin’s comment. People understand that it takes high profile people making high profile statements to spotlight problems. The stunning irony is that “no one was stunned” when I told them only two of the top twenty money earning trainers had no drug violations. Our industry has been accepting the unacceptable for so long that we have alienated much of the general public and many owners.
@Highgunner – The voice for the “Unwanted Thoroughbred”
16 May 2011 at 07:51 am | #
Off topic. Where is Mr. Christine?
16 May 2011 at 08:19 am | #
Mr. Irwin did not say “… all trainers, except one, ...” The actual quote was:
“Well I just (pause) was tired of other trainers lying to me, I wanted a guy who would tell me the truth.”
Webster’s dictionary defines “other” to mean:
Being the one of two (or more) distinct from the one already mentioned or understood; One or ones remining; A different or additional one.
16 May 2011 at 09:12 am | #
You mention Barbaro without commenting on the fact that his leg shattered in his first post-Derby race. The day Barbaro won the Derby, he was one race away from being one of those horses that wasn’t sound enough to stay the course. If he’d raced more frequently leading up to the Derby, he’d have already been injured by Derby Day, and some other, more lightly raced horse would have won it.
The past is no longer prologue because any horse with enough of a past to be statistically noteworthy is probably about to break a leg or suffer some other injury or illness that takes him/her out of contention.
You then explain why this is true: “Stamina has been bred out of horses....”
Breeding the stamina (and soundness) out of horses is completely idiotic, short-sighted, and yet not surprising, given the better-living-through-chemistry ethos under which American racing has been operating for too many years.
If there is a realistic shot at the TC this year maybe it’s because in Animal Kingdom we have a horse who, although drugged on raceday like all the others, is not quite as heavily drugged as most and also comes from sturdier (i.e., not American) stock.
16 May 2011 at 09:18 am | #
Didn’t Big Brown break the “Exterminator rule”?
Anyway, I think Mr. Irwin may have overlooked something—a lot of people, including myself, didn’t bet Animal Kingdom to win not because of historic factors but because of his pp’s. He had a lose one/win one pattern that worried me because if the pattern held he was due for a loss; his final prep was a very slow 1:52; and Graham Motions ‘graded stakes’ and ‘3rd off layoff’ stats weren’t all that great (12% and 16%).
I hope he wins the Preakness but that race is where the historic factors worry me - double digit long shot Derby winners don’t win the Preakness very often plus Needles lost the Preakness.
16 May 2011 at 11:54 am | #
Congrats to Animal Kingdom and all his connections.
Animal Kingdom was best, ON THE DAY. Mr.Irwin got lucky, like all the other Derby winning owners of the past and future.I don’t think it had anything to do with his studious perception of the decade. And that’s not meant to be offensive in any way. Every breeder tries to breed the best to the best and hope for the best. And then you need LUCK. You can take all the statistics, the well-thought out breedings , Mother Nature, good training-bad training, 2 year old form , no two year old form, you can compare and contrast a million things, the list can go on forever ....you still need to be the best horse, ON THE DAY. Animal Kingdom was that, this year.
16 May 2011 at 12:05 pm | #
Derby statistics, good seats for syndicate members are non-issues (who cares but offended turf writers and tracks?) compared to the apparent drug problem in the sport.
Prominent breeders/owners supporting the recent federal legislation are concerned that this sport is no longer socially acceptable in mainstream society. And, they are correct from the reactions I receive any time I bring up horse racing to friends and family.
Less Racing...More Great Racing...Please!
16 May 2011 at 12:32 pm | #
My apologies, Vic, for invading your forum, but I feel that #3 deserves an answer. I quit writing for this site several weeks ago when I was no longer being paid for my contributions. Thanks for asking.
16 May 2011 at 04:07 pm | #
Wow, BC, I guess JP wasn’t kidding about the equine poet position at HRI. I don’t think this was an example of the required industry consolidation that HRI readers had in mind.
16 May 2011 at 05:04 pm | #
TTT,
Is that a hare piece you’re wearing? Your dad may have originated the phrase, but the version of it that I first heard was in the Disney movie, Bambi. I believe Thumper’s mother was the source. I’ve since learned on the internet—particularly at sites where Terms Of Service policies appear to be enforced selectively— that no good deed goes unpunished and no not-nice nonsense goes unpublished.
16 May 2011 at 05:10 pm | #
Indulto, as Dickie D. would say: “Luv ya babe!” Forgive the hackneyed trite saying, although my Father taught me that, life has beaten me down, and I have changed the saying, which I have previously posted here to: “If you don’t have anything nice to say about someone, take your best shot.....
At this moment in time, I feel like the little boy in the movie Shane, and want to scream out: “Bill Christine, come back, Horseraceinsiders want you, I know they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TTT
16 May 2011 at 05:17 pm | #
From the Lexington Herald Leader today…
VERSAILLES — Barry Irwin grinned wryly as he recounted an incident 37 years ago — partially because it’s still kind of amusing but mostly because it resonates as a prime example of how the 68-year-old CEO of Team Valor International got where he is today.
During a trip to Ireland in 1974, Irwin was supposed to buy a couple of yearlings for a client, but only on the condition he let a specific bloodstock agent check the horses over first.
“I said, ‘No problem,’ and then I never had the guy look at them,” Irwin said. “I just picked them out myself, sold them to this guy, they both won and he was happy. Afterward is when I told him.”
Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2011/05/16/1741837/trial-and-error-put-derby-winning.html#ixzz1MYbqHcTC
opps… guess that was just a little fib… so according to this article, maybe “that’s how he got to where he is today"…
16 May 2011 at 05:26 pm | #
Indulto, I’m scratching my head regarding your question about wearing a “hare” piece? Are you referring to the picture of me with Catherine Bell? If so, no, that is all me.
TTT
16 May 2011 at 05:26 pm | #
Sorry to hear about Bill Christine, maybe we can pass around an offering plate so the HRI faithful can continue reading his fine work.
Life seems to always come down to the almighty buckaroo..
Money it’s a crime
Share it fairly but don’t take a slice of my pie
Money so they say
Is the root of all evil today
But if you ask for a raise it’s no surprise that they’re
giving none away.....
16 May 2011 at 08:09 pm | #
T-Party,
Thumper = rabbit ergo ‘Hare Piece.” Regards to Catherine. I believe that is “all her” too! I subscribe to your updated version and am loving your ongoing dialogue with NK. In BC’s absence, the three of us may be the only comic relief left.
16 May 2011 at 08:12 pm | #
These are the facts, Factchecker: I didn’t quote Irwin for saying, “all trainers, except one.” You chose to put those quotation marks around my words. My words represented an extrapolation of my impressions.
Secondly, what you’ve referred to as “the actual quote” wasn’t spoken at the post-race interview, which is what I wrote about (see first paragraph).
Irwin’s actual quotes in the post-race interview room were, “This is my 25th year racing horses for a syndicate. I started in 1987. And I’ve done this a long time. I’m 68 years old. I’ve reached the point where I still want to work hard, so then I don’t want to have 18 trainers. I don’t want to hear stories from 17 trainers every day. Unless you’re there and you have one guy on your team that’s on your side, you’re not going to get the truth. And I reached the point where I was fed up with it.”
Now that you have the facts, Factchecker, you can make what you will of them.
17 May 2011 at 06:45 am | #
Indulto, sorry, lost a step or two over the years in the brain cell department, but hopefully have enough left to stave off attacks against my credentials as an ace degenerate, by envious sophmoric persons who would publicly refer to me as a “whackjob” or “crybaby.” Would say to any such persons I’m happier “brawling” then “bawling.”
TTT
17 May 2011 at 07:05 am | #
Vic-glad to know that this was your extrapolation of what Mr. Irwin was trying to convey in the post race interview. On the other hand my extrapolation is that he was trying to convey that he was getting older and was tired of having to call 18 different trainers everyday to determine what was going on with his horses (one or more of which may have lied to him) and that he wanted to make one call to one trainer he trusted, much easier and reliable. Again I don’t extrapolate that he said “… all trainers, except one, don’t communicate with owners truthfully...” His post race interview is totally consistent with what he said to Bob Neumeier on national TV.
17 May 2011 at 07:21 am | #
Vic-forgot to mention that Webster’s dictionary defines “Story” as:
A connected narration of past events; A history; An account of some incident; A report; statement.
Story does not mean a lie.
17 May 2011 at 07:28 am | #
You’ve got “Turf Writers” and “Dirt Writers,” and which kind you are has nothing to do with the surface you are reporting on. If one’s motivation is for human interest, knowledge and edification, then you are a “Turf Writer,” but if you are a busybody, breeding controversy and dissension, you are a “Dirt Writer.” I love all Turf Writers. Don’t think bob Neumeier is a “Dirt Writer,” only think his question was ill advised at that point in time, and you can’t blame Mr. Irwin for his truthful answer.
TTT
17 May 2011 at 10:07 am | #
Please pay Bill Christine - he’s the reason I started visiting this website.
19 May 2011 at 05:47 pm | #
Dear Readers,
We are sorry to have lost the services of an Eclipse Award winning writer but business decisions are always difficult. For the record, Mr. Christine has been paid in full for his services.
HorseRaceInsider.com Management Team
20 May 2011 at 12:28 am | #
For the record, HRI’s lack of transparency in this matter is as unwelcome as it would be in any other area of racing. We don’t know whether—when times became tough—everyone was asked to tighten his or belt or someone simply decided that HRI could dispense with one of its titans. Have any black hats replaced Zenyatta caps or any devastating secrets been revealed?
I’m not as concerned that a voice as talented as Mr. Christine’s will be silenced as I am that HRI’s difficulties may become more pronounced without him. Perhaps the HRI Publisher can explain why its original copy is allowed to drive discussion threads at competing websites rather than more commenters to this one? Do HRI bloggers need to be more proactive in promoting interaction or are HRI’s security notices and procedures too intrusive and/or ineffective?
Comment #23 begs more questions than it answers.
22 May 2011 at 03:47 pm | #
It is a lousy industry filled with greed and exploitation at every turn even as it dies. If you are tied by your ankles and lowered into an outhouse butt hole, no amount of cleanliness or good thoughts are going to keep the mire from coating and clinging to you.
That is the racing industry. Each day that passes, a little more integrity, honesty and respect is leeched out. Not one d_a_m_n thing is being done to bring it back. Meaningless talk and meetings without purpose. Decades old problems that continue to be cured with bobble-head doll promotions.
Good people, one-by-one, two-by-two, etc. continue to quit, retire and/or die. They ARE NOT being replaced. The wagering fan base is suffering the same. Shrinking and dieing.
As it shrinks, so will the idustries who depend on it. Good and bad alike. Nature of the beast.
This industry is TERMINAL. Still trying to raise purses and takeout with decades of wagering decline. The very near future will see ALL welfare support from government and gaming sources dry up. California and NYRA cannot fill a card with even an 8 horse race average before SCRATCHES. Pools are consistently filled with short odds horses. Even the rebate raiders are finding it difficult to find a pool to wager in. Inbreeding d_r_u_g addicted stock for speed and NO stamina has reduced the herd and the durability of today’s horse. Economics has reduced the breeders. Lies, cheating, legalized theft, stone-age technology and indifference has reduced wagering.
CHANGES NEEDED IMMEDIATELY:
Takeout dropped to 10% on W/P/S wagers…
Takeout dropped to 15% on ALL other wagers…
Legal theft of customer’s change (breakage) ELIMINATED…
Exchange wagering for Americans legalized…
Wagering system modernized/comparable to NYSE software…
Full races (10 or more starters) that can run (maybe fewer days/tracks)…
No drugs in the starting gates. NONE!!!
Final odds before the gate opens; not after the race ends…
All information displayed in REAL TIME…
Race related data freely accessible to ALL…
Enforce all rules/laws across ALL jurisdictions…
3 strike rule; NOT hundreds of chances…
Guilt by association for those working with cheaters; use (Federal RICCO model)…
OR bankruptcy, padlocks all around and a koolaide party for all of the greedy, ignorant, shortsighted fools and their media responsible.
ENTIRE d_a_m_n list at all tracks NOW. Do it or become extinct. SIMPLE… Gotta love the way reality continues to bite racing in the a$$…
Who are we kidding? Status quo maintained until it expires completely in the middle of some NEW round table meeting or online FANTASY game…
Like using an outhouse where everyone else craps on top of the lid rather than under it. This industry is putrid and its’ fate is completely in the hands of greedy, ignorant, shortsighted fools. RIP…
01 Jun 2011 at 09:58 pm | #
Breeding the stamina (and soundness) out of horses is completely idiotic, short-sighted, and yet not surprising, given the better-living-through-chemistry ethos under which American racing has been operating for too many years.
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