At 4:54 p.m. May 18, a press release arrived by e-mail from the office of California State Senate contact Adam Keigwin with the headline “Horse Racing Oversight Bill Approved By Senate.”
However, 23 hours and 50 minutes later, this came: “Yet Another Betting Glitch Hits California Horse Racing.”
Tote insecurity is nothing new, becoming a major story in 2002 when a dishonest programmer from totalizator company Autotote took advantage of the transmission delay from simulcast venue to track betting pool that resulted in the notorious Breeders‘ Cup “Fix Six” scandal.
Had the conspiracy not been exposed, it would have illegally garnered $3.2 million from unsuspecting Pick Six bettors. Its mastermind also admitted to authorities that he stole a hundred-thousand dollars from the uncashed-tickets pool by creating counterfeit betting slips.
Following the incident, the racing industry responded by making recommendations and promises to improve tote security, but the system is still experiencing major problems that has chased many professional horseplayers away.
In California on Preakness day, betting windows at 33 simulcast sites remained open on a Hollywood Park race after the event had been run. The malfunction involved betting locations that did not receive a “stop betting signal” from Scientific Games, the tote system used at California tracks.
In this instance, wagers, including those made properly, were removed from the pool and all bets were refunded, punishing the innocent along with those who took advantage of the error. The California Horse Racing Board currently is investigating the matter.
Three incidents involving three different tote companies yielding three bad results for bettors. Like politicians, the only thing industry leaders have done in real time is to issue memos, mail press releases, and launch investigations that never seem to result in positive action for their best customers, a.k.a. bettors.
Speaking before an industry panel last year, Mike Maloney, one of America’s most prolific horseplayers, informed authorities about how he was able to bet on a race from Fair Grounds for nearly a minute after it had been run.
Apparently Maloney wasn’t convinced he would get a positive outcome, according to a subsequent quote he furnished the Thoroughbred Times: “The industry doesn’t address this because it costs money and doesn’t make money, but it hurts the pool and hurts the game. They don’t care because they get their commission whether people win or lose.”
After wagering pools in five states were adversely affected by the NYC-OTB incident, Ed Martin, President of American Racing Commissions International, told Thoroughbred Times that “this is yet another example of why the ARCI Wagering and Integrity program needs to be implemented immediately involving tote systems; to hopefully detect these types of problems before they happen.”
If Martin were the ARCI resident at the time, he probably said the same thing at the organization’s first meeting following the 2002 Breeders’ Cup.
In no small way is it ironic that less than 24 hours after the California State Senate overwhelmingly approved SB 662--legislation authored by Senator Leland Yee (D-San Francisco/San Mateo) providing for independent oversight of all pari-mutuel horse race wagering in California--was it learned that another past-posting incident had occurred, an event that has become far too commonplace.
The incentive for Yee’s bill was the result of a different kind of wagering controversy that surfaced in last year’s “quick pick” bets on the Kentucky Derby superfecta. Due to a programming error, the #20 post position was inadvertently omitted from the possible 5,200 permutations on betting slips.
The #20, of course, was the winning position occupied by Derby favorite Big Brown, which would have cost winning superfecta bettors over $29,000 per $1 bet.
If SB 662 clears the California State Assembly and is signed into law by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, the CHRB would be required to institute real-time monitoring of all pari-mutuel transactions, a fail-safe measure that should have been instituted nationally following the now seven-year-old Fix Six scandal.
While normally there is some kind of human error involved in past-posting situations, the vexing problem of late-odds drops, strictly a technology issue, remains. As stated, this industry does little in real time.
In the main, late-odds drops are caused by the 15 to 20-second cycle it takes for betting totals on last-second wagers to reach the track from a simulcast venue, another 15-to-20 seconds to go from venue tote room to odds board, and another 15-to-20 seconds to reach television monitors, where most bettors see the drop during the running of a race.
Of course, sometimes the odds on winning horses go up but a preponderance goes down. Although there’s nothing sinister at work, a bad message is being sent. Horseplayers are distrusting by nature; the industry must recognize this and work that much harder to gain their confidence.
No longer will they come just because you build it.
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It's An Epidemic
In the midst of an interview last evening with Horseplayers Association of North America president Jeff Platt, HRI learned that the second race at Penn National for Wednesday May 20 was declared a non-betting event when the betting pool didn't close until approximately 20 minutes after the race had been declared official.
The winning Twodoorsdown won the race at 10-1. The race, for $5,000 claimers going a a mile and 70 yards, was declared official and an announcement was made that prices were pending. While the prices were pending, the winner's odds dropped to 9-1, then 8-1, then, after the lengthy delay, the race was declared a non-wagering event and all wagers, including those properly placed, were refunded.
Another investigation into past-posting is expected to be announced shortly.


20 May 2009 at 11:44 pm | #
I dread what’s coming next. They’re going to close the pools 1 minute to post. Instead of fixing the problem and finding a way to do this the right way, they’ll stick it to the players once again.
I made a nice score on the race at Hollywood the other day that got refunded, i got paid, but i feel horrible for those who had the winner fair and square and didn’t get a dime.
The worst thing a racetrack can do is not pay off the rightful winners. Bettors can put up with a lot of stuff (including bogus DQs) but to have the winner and then not get paid because of some glitch is the beginning of the end for the racing industry.
We can put up with a lot of stuff and we have over the years, but not getting paid is the straw that will break the camel’s back. Racing is losing serious customers as we speak and those people won’t ever come back again.
The Hollywood situation over the weekend and now the Penn National situation is similar to your spouse cheating......you might be able to forgive, but you’ll never forget the pain that it caused.
If i was one of the players who got the shaft in this Hollywood race or the Penn National race, i know that the cut would be deep.
Deep enough that i would probably never forgive and certainly would never forget.
21 May 2009 at 02:31 am | #
Every bet transaction has a time/date “stamp”. Every “stop betting” signal has a time/date record. It’s a pretty short leap to figure out how, in the absence of receiving a “stop betting” signal, to determine if a bet transaction happened after the “stop betting” signal went out.
What we get from the tote companies is a lot of gobbledygook about how these snafu’s can’t happen; and, then they happen.
I would prefer that they close the pools so that the closing odds were posted before the race goes off. If that’s a minute, or two minutes, or whatever; that’s what it is. If that causes enough people to throw up their hands and walk out the door then the industry will have identified the real cost of not overhauling their tote network and doing the job right.
It’s horseplayers’ money that makes this all happen or not happen. Are we in control of our money?
21 May 2009 at 03:01 am | #
Well I guess George wouldn’t be in favor, but I would close all off-track betting at two minutes to post time. This would go far to eliminate to suspicions of past-posting and, at the same time, give an advantage to on-track bettors which might cause more people to actually come to the track.
21 May 2009 at 03:43 am | #
During the Penn Nat race I was playing poker on an offshore site. It was a play game with no real money involved, I was the only person at the table from the US. My oppenents were from around the world and the plays came up instantly so why can we not updatge the system so we have the instant funds into the pools? Thanks don
21 May 2009 at 04:37 am | #
The simple solution? Close pools at 0 to post. They do this in numerous jurisdictions in the world even when bets are coming from a single source i.e., all on site betting.
The two AmTote problems were human error. One involved a change on the fly due to a last minute signing of an ADW contract with CD that was to take effect the next day. The second one was a goof up but again a human error. The first instance could have been avoided if the parties in KY didn’t wait until the last minute to sign an agreement. The second should have had a double check.
The two past posting incidents especially the one in CA is pure and simple SGR really doesn’t give a FF about their business. They hired the former head of technology at the HKJC in 2005. Since then their new technology for all products has gone from bad to worse. These jokers are trying to peddle SGR with the caveat that their two competitors have management / financial issues and that there are 5 plum contracts coming up for bid within the next 18 months that belong to their deficient competitors.
BTW, a second stop betting command which exists in many jurisdictions is the easy solution. Lotteries around the world employ this and the have how many events in a day 5, except for keno which also employs a second albeit automated command.
21 May 2009 at 05:07 am | #
Thanks so much for commenting HRI readers. I sorely lack technical expertise and you’ve all added to my education this morning.
In the past, I have advocated in several posts that while closing the windows before the race is run so that players then know the final odds is an inconvenience worth dealing with.
Meanwhile, I’m told that wiring up the country for real time odds in terms of programming would cost between $250--300 million.
Given the state of the industry all over to varying degrees, what are the chances?
Mr. Obama, please help. We generate a lot of money and jobs for your not-so-United States of America.
JP
21 May 2009 at 05:23 am | #
No problem. FYI, $250 million???? Who is going to do the job NASA? It could be accomplished relatively easy and relatively cheap is everyone works together. Sort of like uniform meds and licensing.
The big problem is that all three tote providers are in a stte of flux.
SGR - for sale.
UT - ownership let it die on the vine and is for sale with minimal structure remaining.
AmTote - solid tech and has come from nowhere to grab serious business but as a business unit of MEC they aren’t on sure footing.
The other side is that nobody has come up with set protocols. The slot and lottery industries did this in very short order and the vendors were theones who led the charge not the promoters.
21 May 2009 at 06:08 am | #
mm,
All cogent points. That figure came from Jeff Platt, president of the Horseplayers Association of North America. A computer programmer by trade, he asked several contacts what they thought it would take. That was the figure he was given.
However, if you’re correct, everyone would be pleased to know that we could get the job done more affordably. Thanks for the input. Why not forward this to http://www.horseplayersassociation.org?
I can only guarantee that your input would not fall on deaf ears. Thanks fro being part of the solution.
JP
21 May 2009 at 06:20 am | #
There are a few issues that have to be addressed here. 1: Who is going to pay for all of the programming involved in these endevours? MM, I can tell you as a fact, the programming time involved in this is enormous. The ACRI stuff is a great idea, but! The tracks don’t want to pay the tote companies for the programming any more then they want to pay the fee for the RCI monitoring. The tote companies have driven themselves into such dire straights, they can’t afford to pay. 2: Close pools at 0MTP!
I am so tired of hearing about late odds flashes! As MM said above. most world juristictions stop wagering earlier. And as an old mutuel manager once told me, Bettors are like puppies. they can be trained. Just get the balls to do it industry wide. After past posting issues, the main bad perception caused by the late flashes of the odds can be easily changed without cost. I have stood in Racing Commission offices listening to people complain about this issue. They don’t want to or won’t understand how and why the pools are slow. And there is no cost to the industry! BTW. There has to be a human monitor as a last resort at the guest hubs. Nevada has it. Wagering was stopped manually as quickly as possible.
While there are many issues to consider, short term, there are procedures that should be in place to not only prevent past posting and late odds flashes, but can easily change the perception and enhance the integrity of the pools at a minimum cost!
21 May 2009 at 07:04 am | #
To do it the ACRI way, i.e., reinventing the mouse trap, sure is and the plan isn’t all that great and I’ve not met anyone who has really been all that gung ho over it. Bob Evans’ boys in Silicon said they could build Twin Spires for $18mil in 90 days. That went so well he had no choice but to go to Trackplay until they bought AmTab.
Funny, OP has let in rebate houses for the past two meets and I haven’t heard one word about late odds drops, imagine that. The Amtote protocol tends to win bets first to update odds ASAP and you see the odds drop or increase in steps rather than all at once.
Not sure the tote companies are totally at fault here but they certainly are part of the problem. You have an issue within the industry of everyone wanting a piece of the pie and everyone accusing the other of being greedy.
As a friend once noted, the racing industry is like a bunch of drunks holding each other up.
21 May 2009 at 10:33 am | #
Penn National has sent out a complete explanation as to last night. This is as it should be. tell the public what happened ASAP
21 May 2009 at 05:54 pm | #
JB,
Could it be some organizations are actually starting to get it?
JP
21 May 2009 at 08:51 pm | #
IMHO:
Yeah. That is the reason 1/3 of racing is bankrupt (Stronach), 1/3 is seriously considering bankruptcy (CDI) and the other 1/3 are hoping that they will succeed when the other 2/3rds are gone.
A fool and his money… LoL…
Notice a very long trend here? Anyone else notice that the wagering fan, but once again, is completely ignored (boned)? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…
Math is cold and calculating. Just like smart punters who use it. Your game is old. Your product, like any wagering opportunity, is still viable. It is the investment model that is dead.
Racing will not survive without the wagering fan. The wagering fan has been and will continue to be ignored (boned). We will attend many, many track funerals before the industry idiots are forced from their jobs and admit it through hindsight.
The take plus breakage plus a broken slow outdated tote system plus an industry that ignores/rewards corruption equals no opportunities for any but the most ignorant of fans.
Throw a drowning man a big rock and he will grasp it. Racing continues to drown with a death grip on that rock and no expectation of any effective change before 2/3rds are gone.
One track/adw needs to break from the herd and offer the wagering fan a fair chance at winning. Taking 25% to 40% of each wager is not going to do it with even more being stolen as it flows through a corrupt/broken machine.
Wagering exchanges offer the wagering fan this opportunity. You get to create your own wagers and odds. Offer them up for any who wish to oppose you with their beliefs and money. Dust settles. The exchange takes 5% (or less for great customers) of the WINNINGS ONLY. Move on to next challenge. Betfair through TVG is the most obvious choice at this time to offer American racing hope… Only the hope of honest winning will create the volume and churn required to support the game. Even if that game is reduced to 3 or 4 tracks offering 15/20 race cards of 10/20 entrants. Think it can’t happen?
Not possible, you say? We can wait. Sit back, watch very few races, play in the occasional contest, send a few email complaints, and play a lot of poker. Maybe go to an exchange offshore and offer a wager as to how many tracks will fold before real change is made. Believe it or not, racing fans are thinkers. Most are not attracted to slots. Slots are not your competition nor are they your salvation. If we were that stupid and foolish, we would be highly paid individuals in racing management. LMAO!
With 2/3rds of racing gone, the rest will have enough horses to card full equal races. Change your wagering venue and jail/ban your corruption and watch, as we return to the challenge of picking winners.
Today, we look at small fields with one or two short odds choices that often drop from decent odds at the start to nothing at the 3/4 pole. And we are refunded when a good winner escapes notice. No Thanks!
Fix your software and replace ancient wagering/tote systems. Cost too much? Then don’t. How much is 25% to 40% of nothing anyway???
Going to play some poker now.
21 May 2009 at 09:06 pm | #
Racing is not listening… Most managers at the upper levels have never handicapped a race or used the product they control to make a wager. Has no one been paying attention to high finance during this economic collapse? Same thing in racing. They get paid too much too care until it fails. End of story…
22 May 2009 at 06:12 am | #
Dennis,
Once you stopped making with the jokes...wow. Might give this string some lead page exposure.
Unknown,
You’re right many do not know one end from another and when a good manager comes along (Lou Raffetto), he’s not appreciated. Same thing with Bill Murphy at Gulfstream.
Ron Geary, meanwhile, who’s trying to make a go as the owner at Ellis, has a personal handle many times mine. He’s a player; an excellent handicapper and bettor.
These guys listen, and they know. Too bad they’re in the minority.
JP
22 May 2009 at 07:04 am | #
This is such a large subject and nearly all the comments I’m seeing are victims of tunnel vision instead of seeing the bigger picture at hand.
There are alot of posts in this thread and a couple comments in the article that make incorrect assumptions on the technology at hand regarding standardized protocols - which exist and is called ITSP; speed - Speed of the Tote systems is not an issue, they all acknowledge times on the MS from one company/system to another. The issue at hand regarding speeds and final odds calculations that most Players are concerned with are the Odds they get on video. That’s the nature of the beast people. Unless you can get Simulcast providers, broadcasters, and signal providers to somehow upgrade their 1960s satelites… video delay will always be there regarding simulcasting. Therefor it is the most logic reasoning for the benefit of all, local and simulcast to lock 1:00 to post with a final odds calculation before the race goes off. If you are worried about pool distribution and ADWS loading all their wagers in the last final minutes, the propose a ruleset that would require balanced pool distribution in the way their systems send the wagers in instead of waiting till the last minute. This would offset your satelitte and video lag and many of the concerns regarding PLAYERS ABUSE of heavy post time wagers. This last concern I just mentioned is large part of why ADWs and large gamblers are acting like they are leading the call to get this fixed. They don’t want to be known as the bad guys any longer. Well guess what… alot of this stems from the designs of their systems in the first place.
Before you go rambling on about such points you should really read up or talk to someone already familiar. Many people are just regurgitating thoughts they’ve read elsewhere.
Too many seem ready to point fingers at the Tote companies. I suspect some of this has to do with some kind of “man behind the curtain” complex.
The fact of the matter is the Tracks have always abused post time regulations. They demand to wait until the final moments to set post, or even reopening wagering if there’s a gate reload. It’s greed pure and simple that gets us to this point and the Players are often patsies in this because they have coddled into the thought that having wagering open as long as possible is a good thing. It’s not. Of course it’s not. There should be a Final Bets In call as the gate is being loaded at 1:00 to post and that’s it. There should be no whining about this. Allow the final odds to come in (as close to realtime as possible) then close wagering. That would make me feel secure.
22 May 2009 at 07:14 am | #
I just want to throw one thing into the mix as far as some tracks might be getting it. In both the Hollywwod case and the Penn case, the final decision was correct! Thye protected the integrity of the pools. This did need to be communicated to the public better, but it was the right way to go. Problems aside, give a little credit when they get it right. In cases like this, we need to do a better job of educating the betting public as to why the action was taken in a particualr way to protect that integrity.
22 May 2009 at 08:13 am | #
I don’t think anyone has said the speed of the tote systems is the problem. The problem is very simply stop betting at least 0MTP! Period! Ive said it more then once. a perception is easy to create, but ten times harder to uncreate. In this case this is a perception that can be changed easily. Just stop the damned betting!
22 May 2009 at 09:33 am | #
Posting always occurs @ 0 MTP. There are many safegaurds for Posting prior to this as well and many Players get upset about it and try to get races reopened (with good reason) but this safe gaurd measure is already in place @ Tote companies and strictly enforced. For example, If a Tote’s link into a host track goes down within 5 minutes to post, the ITSP standard provides it so that it will autopost (lock) the race just incase the connection is never restored.
I think your 0 MTP concern is actually a different one and slightly mistaken. In situations that occur where wagering is made past 0 MTP, as some other poster mentioned, it is almost certain to be at the fault of human intervention or human error.
Systems require setup and operation and unfortunately (and in large part to the Tote companies dismissing their highly skilled/experienced operators due to salaries vs budget issues in this modern economy mixed with poor upper management) some of these people will make mistakes. 0 MTP going automatically to post is an automatic occurace, no one sits there with their hand on a button. It already does that and it takes intervention to prevent it, wether its judge/officals/tracks/mutuels making a bad call or an operator doing something ridiculous. These are further reasons with 1 mtp locking is a good idea. And truly, if the lock time was moved up so would the post time so it will still be reflected as 0MTP, its just the definition of when “POST” is would need to be changed to loading time, not when the gate breaks.
Regardless, on a host track level.. 0 MTP autoposting should be more strictly permitted and if it is halted or reset for some reason or another that reason had better be good.
I’d like to add to your post (17) that the instance with Penn on Wednesday doesnt even really register as a Past Post wagering issue—because there was never a post to begin with! Essentially it was a malfunction that brought upon a No-race which annoyed alot of people that had their wagers in legitmately. Happens with malfunctioning gates more regularly than communications, this isnt much different imo.
Unforunately, due to the way post times are handled in horse racing also adds to the fact that it was too late to postpone the race till the Tote was restored. This adds to my argument that waiting till a gate breaks/0 MTP to lock wagering is bad and antiquated.
I am of the opinion Penn handled it the best they could as well and the notification-explanation to other sources (totes/players/tracks) was a nice thing to see.
22 May 2009 at 09:57 am | #
I think this is an excellent article on the situation written by someone on the TRA 2020 comm. : http://toddbowker.com/blog/?s=itsp
22 May 2009 at 10:27 am | #
I need to revisit something I said because I contradicted myself in my first post and the last. The 0 MTP capability IS indeed part of the Tote ITSP standard. However, like I said in the earlier post (but neglected to in the last one) due to the Tracks and the lack of regulation on the matter - most Tracks will not allow the Tote companies to use this function (although they want to) because they believe it will reflect in lost handle. There are many examples of this over the years. Both Arizona and NYRA both used to implement and enforce the 0 MTP autoposting but have since removed it because of Track’s complaining.
22 May 2009 at 10:31 am | #
just a note. While I personally agree with 1MTP, we also need something palatable to the tracks/customers. 0MTP means that, not first horse in gate,etc.Bottom line, it’s an easy fix if the industry would address it as importnat as it is. I was talking to someone else in the industry who mentioned an exchange he had with a major track management figure. This guy asked him right out, what’s more important? The integrity of the pools or the so called extra dollars derived from going to break. This management figure did not bat an eye. “It’s the money”. By the way, the auto lock for loss of link is set to whatever time the track or hub wants. I agree with Craig on one thing for sure. They have run off the majority of their experienced tote people at the hubs. Please note, I deal with this every day so my suggestions try to reflect the reality of the situation, especially from the tote side. As to Penn, other tracs can learn from how they handled the situation. And I have always been of the opinion err on the side of safety. if you think a pool is corrupted for any reason, bite the bullet and disallow that money. That is integrity.
22 May 2009 at 10:40 am | #
Tote companies deserve a good amount of the criticsm they are taking right now for many reasons, but the 0MTP thing should never be one of them. Craig is right. We all would love to use that function.It actually is a more important functin then ever due to the loss of experience in the tote rooms.