The genesis for that was a Tuesday afternoon session entitled “Change--You Can Run But You Can’t Hide,” in which Eugene Christiansen, Chairman of Christiansen Capital Advisors, and Jeff Gural, owner of Vernon Downs and Tioga Downs in the western region of upstate New York, became the purveyors of dread.
Before getting the impression that this was a one-sided argument, not so fast my friends. There are plenty of well minded people in this industry who remain all in, willing to pursue any feasible solution to turn this game right side up.
The problem is that they may not have the juice to stem the negative tide. Or, even if they had, they may have waited too long.
“Racing as an industry is more resistant to change than anything we’ve ever dealt with,” said Christiansen, chief advisor for a 30-year-old New York City-based firm that has acted as consultant to a myriad of gambling companies worldwide.
There were enough good ideas relating to service that, if implemented, could lead to positive change--if only the home office home would heed their advice and execute effectively. Instead, the industry is rife with examples of failed execution.
Over three days I heard about what initiatives were working and what’s in the pipeline. I never heard a presentation that wasn’t grounded in the real world. But, technology and social networking notwithstanding, there really was nothing new. Everyone knows what the problems but find that magic bullet elusive, the author included.
“Once a racino opens, that company looks at racing as a loser,” said Gural. “Lobbyists for those tracks try to convince government to take the money back, allowing the racinos to get rid of racing…
“The horse industry doesn’t want to do anything to help themselves,” he continued. [It’s] happy to be a welfare recipient. They believe somehow they’re entitled.”
What Gural forgets, however, is that the tracks are entitled--not to welfare but to a piece of the action. Racinos see racing as a drag on the bottom line but never seem to recall that if it were not for racing there would be no ‘ino’ in racino.
“The racing industry has been extraordinarily resistant to change,” agreed Christiansen, “even if someone creates an innovative product… The chances of change are slim to none.”
No amount of spin could dispel that basic tenet. While technology such as Trakkus, high definition video, aforementioned social networking media and the burgeoning use of the Internet to spread racing’s gospel, there have been no substantive changes.
Betting menus have expanded, popular because it gives customers more choice but problematic because betting pools become diluted. With new wagers having a higher degree of difficulty, coupled with high takeout, players are busting out at a faster rate. Times being what they are, they’ve been voting with their feet.
The industry has under-utilized technology. Fractional wagering should be expanded dramatically. If some newcomer wants to bet two horses to win for a total of $1, why not? Get him in the game at all costs.
The business never has given the new or event-driven customer a chance to affordably experience the thrill of victory and agony of defeat while they attempt to flatten the steep learning curve.
Today’s technology allows players to bet $2.43 to get back $9.17 if they wish. Pay the winners in full. There’s no good reason for breakage to exist in the modern era. The industry should have been fighting local governments for those pennies on behalf of their customers, instead of piling on.
To attract new players, new, less complex wagers need to be created. “Betfair is a very good example of voluntary change in the global betting business. Nobody in the racing industry really understood what a betting exchange was,” Christiansen said.
“The fundamental problem is consumer pricing. The amount of money taken from bettors is not sustainable.”
Unfortunately, no segment of the industry, from state regulators, to track officials, to the players themselves, truly fail to understand the inexorable mathematics of takeout.
“If I’m right, there won’t be voluntary change,” Christiansen added. “Economics will dictate involuntary change--fewer racetracks, fewer opportunities to race, and the end of any prospect for the rejuvenation of the fan base. If the fan base can't be brought back, the sport will die."
“The problem that needs to be addressed is how to recruit more consumers into this industry… This takes wholesale change, competitive pricing, new products and pain for a lot of people, including purse levels that may decrease by 50 percent.”
I reached Christiansen by phone at his Manhattan offices and asked exactly what experience he’s had in dealing with racing issues, and what he could recommend to reverse current trends.
“I’ve probably consulted for everybody in the industry, from racetrack feasibility studies to evaluating investment trends, purses… I’ve done lots of advisory work and made lots of speeches. But I’m not someone who makes recommendations in the press.”
He was asked: “If racing could correct just one problem, what should it be?”
Said Christiansen, without hesitation or equivocation: “Pricing is a threshold issue.”



16 Oct 2009 at 07:14 am | #
Mr. Pricci: I read the comments by Eugene Christiansen at the Int’l Simulcast Conference at another website. You, in your commentary above, interjected two more items: (a) steep learning curve and (b) less complex wagers need to be created.
I assume the local OTB crowd is no different than any other OTB crowd across the country. If you were to observe the bettors in attendance, you would note that few are into serious handicapping; that most have in hand merely the day’s program or the New York Post or Daily News, few having taken the time to handicap the race, few with the past performances in hand; and, at the betting window you would hear numbers being rattled off for exactas, trifectas, pick threes, et cetera. Where is the learning curve? Most bettors don’t handicap seriously, don’t use their brain, and are no different than slot players.
As to less complex wagers, just what is a complex wager? A back wheel of a double? Are the wagers that payoff huge to be eliminated? Back simply to win, place, and show wagering?
Mr. Christiansen’s states, “The problem that needs to be addressed is how to recruit more consumers into this industry;” From this comment it is clear that he is no bettor, as a consumer consumes goods; and I like his use of the word recruit - we’re in the Army now! Well anyway, where are his suggestions as to how to go about ‘recruiting’ new ‘consumers’? Haven’t we all known for years now that racing is tanking because no marketing program exists to introduce the unknowing to the thrill and enjoyment of gambling on the horses?
Mr. Christiansen comments to you that “pricing is a threshold issue”. Okay, lets do a hypothetical: Lets assume that takeout is reduced today to 10% on all wagers coast to coast. Bettors today with winning tickets will receive more money back and will stay in the ‘game’ longer. Even Cangamble agrees that the majority of regular bettor don’t understand or care about takeout, and that the newbies don’t even have a clue. So, newbies won’t be crashing through the doors of wagering outlets anymore today than yesterday. But where am I and other off-track bettors going to go to get a bet in? The racebooks in casinos will close, as will all OTB outlets, as their income has just been reduced by at least 60%, and most of the ADW hubs will stop taking bets; it simply would not be profitable enough to continue as a wagering outlet (seems as if I have said all of the above dozens of times already at this wegsite), yet I continually read from so-called racing experts that racing should be doing this or that; but, never, never, any comments on how their suggestions should be implemented.
16 Oct 2009 at 07:51 am | #
Wendell,
Sothen your agenda is that you’re afraid that if takeout is lowered to such an extent it puts your OTB hangout and your lifestyle in peril. Now maybe I’m beginning to get you.
I understand how you might think Christiansen’s criticisms/suggestions won’t get new people into the game and, in that context only, I agree.
BUT YOU MUST SERVICE YOUR EXISTING CUSTOMERS NOW or there will be nothing left to build on.
Agreed, backwheeling a double or exacta is not rocket science. But fleshing out a weighted wheel in the superfecta, or constructing a Pick 4 or Pick 3 play might even be more important than the picking of winners per se.
The only suggestion I made was to offer new wagers that would simplify the selection process for the newbies as an easy way to help keep all players in the game, so that you can meet your friends at the local OTB who allow public handicappers to make their decisions for them, which is fine.
We are more alike than you think. I could easily, and more conveniently, bet on my home computer. But I like the racetrack/simulcast atmosphere for the social aspects it provides.
I think we’ve beaten this poor horse to death by now, don’t you Wendell? Play something from the B side if you would.
Thanks for commenting,
JRP
16 Oct 2009 at 07:59 am | #
Even Cangamble agrees that the majority of regular bettor don’t understand or care about takeout, and that the newbies don’t even have a clue. So, newbies won’t be crashing through the doors of wagering outlets anymore today than yesterday.
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Here is what will get newbies to play: The fact that the mainstream bettors will last longer. They will expose more friends family and coworkers to horse racing. For example, I had my sisters family over at my house recently, but I was on a good winning streak, and I was spending most of the day at the computer making bets. This got the interest of my brother-in-law, and my nephew and niece. Not saying that this turned them into gambling addicts, but it did perk their interest.
Conversely, they were at my place 6 months ago when I was temporarily not betting because I was having a bad streak. Horse racing wasn’t even mentioned that weekend.
If takeouts are reduced, the likelihood of regular players like me missing a day or a weekend become close to non existent.
Also, if takeout is reduced to 10-12% the idea that the game is unbeatable will be taken out by actual winners who will draw more newbies into the game (just like it works with Betfair and online poker who make their money because there are a few winners, but obviously a heck of a lot of losers who think they have a chance to win).
As for the fear of ADWs and OTBs closing down. No chance. Betting will more than double, and as long as signal fees, and taxes and horsemen agreements go down in proportion to what they are like today, all bet takers will wind up making more money in the long run.
16 Oct 2009 at 08:19 am | #
It is my belief that in order to ‘recruit’ new customers we must ‘dumb the game down’. We must ‘Kenoize or Lottoize’ the game. Horseracing has/can offer the same attracting elements that lotteries offer(small investment-big payoff-quick result), with a lot more suspense and excitement than watching falling balls with painted numbers. I would have to agree with Mr Croww that a majority of horseplayers are not serious handicappers. I think too much emphasis is put on trying to attract the ‘serious handicapper or gambler, and not enough emphasis on attracting the majority of consumers who will play their favourite lottery on a daily or weekly basis. There is a huge market of gambling consumers just waiting to be tapped!
EP
16 Oct 2009 at 08:30 am | #
Eric,
That’s why a Betfair concept would work nicely. You’re betting that horse A or horse B would win or lose. Can’t get much simpler. But, of greater importance, it will keep the whales in the game longer.
JRP
16 Oct 2009 at 09:37 am | #
Hi Eric and all,
I presented an interesting (I thought it was, anyway) story at a conference in April that Eric might remember, on takeout.
An example I used was a story of a young man in the UK who was a newbie. He had never seen a race, never been to one, never bet one. But one day he heard of a horse racing betting course at Betfair. He was a 23 year old computer science grad and it interested him. He learned the course, and began betting. He bet into 4% takeouts at betfair.
He lost for awhile as he learned. But he won just enough to make him think he could make money playing horse racing.
In 2009 his hard work payed off and he has won well over $300,000 so far. His story is here. http://adamheathcote.blogspot.com/
He has now become a “young fan” we need. He brings his friends to racing too, and has traveled to the meets to watch racing live. I would submit he would be a fan for life, both on track and off track betting at home.
The kicker is: If takeouts were 22% like here, and he had to bet into the teeth of it, he would not be a player for life. He would have gotten beaten up, quit, and switched to poker or sports betting. He would have lost his shirt because his edge is probably not more than 1% doing what he does.
For horse owners like me, he has probably contributed about $100,000 or so to purses during his journey so far in 2009. That is $100k that is a big fat zero if takeouts were higher. I did not get 95’s in University math, but from what I learned, $100,000 revenue from a fan for life to horse racing is better than $0 revenue to horse racing with a fan who is now playing poker.
Right now our takeout is too high. Mr. Christiansen knows that because he is a gambling expert and he knows stories like this young person’s in the UK. He knows how much is churned when it is lower, and he knows that to attract new bettors in a skill game (like horse racing and poker) you have to be innovative, and beat other games on price. I hope that someday racing joins in with this thinking and we can move the game forward with 23 year old kids like this chap. We are going to need them.
Regards,
Dean
16 Oct 2009 at 12:06 pm | #
Thanks Dean. Excellent tip. I’ll check it out.
JRP
Would probably be better if racing executives did. Oh, well.
16 Oct 2009 at 01:20 pm | #
Mr. Christiansen is spot on. Racing is beholden to the, frankly stupid, idea that customers bet to a fixed amount of stake (and wmcorrow seems stuck with that idea too). If that was true then sure, halving your margin halves your profit, but since when has that ever been true? I’ve got $100 to spend this month on the horses. If I have some early winners I just stake more. The bookie still gets $100 most months.
Look at the success stories in gambling, like Vegas casinos, Pokerstars or Betfair. They still take all your money, but they do it 3% at a time instead of 20+% each time. Is it because they’re generous? No of course not. They’re ruthless at taking your money off you, but they know the best way to do it is slowly but surely. On UK Racing Betfair bets to a lower margin than its 2 biggest rivals, Ladbrokes and William Hill, but it has a HIGHER ARPU. If you don’t understand why, then when there’s a debate about the future of Racing you should do the sport a favour and excuse yourself from the room.
Betfair and PokerStars turnover goes up every year because they’re selling the dream that you might win. It’s all about the customer’s experience. Racing, on the other hand, just looks at punters as its god-given source of cash.
16 Oct 2009 at 04:34 pm | #
So now “Cangamble” is credited for having first stated that nobody cares about takeout??
No wonder racing is dying - you people are delusional.
Cangamble, clearly, was arguing here for days that the takeout is the all important to everyone.
It isn’t! Cangamble is living proof that if so much as .0004217% of bettors care about takeout, they go out and play with rebaters, to eliminate its effect, and eliminate any reason to care.
Nobody cares about takeout! (and Cangamble began his ill-fated argument on the opposite side of that obvious reality)
Why can’t you people get it through your collective heads:
The path right in front of your eyes, toward “how to recruit more consumers into this industry”, and “dumb(ing) the game down”, goes through two points as follows:
1. Racing’s favored status relating to the Interstate Wire Act
2. Racing’s unique-to-most-others form of wagering, where the house does not have a stake in which side wins or loses
(translation: if Charles Barkley or Michael Jordan {or Pete Rose} walked up and bet $10,000 on a horse, or on a pick-6, the so-called ‘house’ wouldn’t have to care whether he won or lost) (now lets see Harrah’s or the Flamingo Hilton match that)
If you want to get something done right, you play to your strengths, not to your weaknesses.
And the dumb belief above that suggests that “tracks are (somehow) ‘entitled’ to a piece of the action” is the ill-conceived weakness which doubles as the thought process of racing bigwigs all over the continent. Perhaps the blog owner might ask Cangamble how all of those “entitled” tracks in Quebec are doing today.
16 Oct 2009 at 04:43 pm | #
Horatio, you are back. Thanks for the laugh.
16 Oct 2009 at 05:08 pm | #
Now that I’ve stopped laughing, let me address your sheer genius, Horatio.
Takeout doesn’t matter to slots players either. I say raise takeout in slots to 90% and raise takeout in horse racing to 40%.
People won’t care, and this way tracks and horsemen can get double the money from horse race betting, and 9 times as much from slot players.
I think Horatio should be the new racing czar. Da man is smarter than Einstein I tell ya.
16 Oct 2009 at 05:17 pm | #
New Racing Czar??
There is only one man qualified for the job:
WENDELL M CORROW
16 Oct 2009 at 05:21 pm | #
Sal, I think Horatio can be Czar and Wendell can be Vice Czar. LOL
Actually, racing is operating right now as if that was the case anyway.
16 Oct 2009 at 07:43 pm | #
Wendell Corrow for Czar of Racing??
The Breeders Cup would be 10 races for $2500 claimers!
16 Oct 2009 at 07:54 pm | #
Horatio, you might want to get your tap water tested.
Regards,
16 Oct 2009 at 08:54 pm | #
‘He was asked: “If racing could correct just one problem, what should it be?”
Said Christiansen, without hesitation or equivocation: “Pricing is a threshold issue.”’
Thanks for sharing, JP. It’s music to my ears, and a tune many more finally seem to be listening to today. As Elvis used to sing: “… Tomorrow will be too late. It’s now or never …”
17 Oct 2009 at 06:08 am | #
Sal Z: I once asked Steven Crist if I could have his job for one day at Daily Racing Form and have the ability to fire people and change policy; he never replied.
L. Keller: You know something, Mr. Keller. You wouldn’t even notice a difference on Breeders’ Cup Day. The races would be just as exciting and the payoffs basically the same, in fact probably more.
17 Oct 2009 at 07:27 am | #
I am a small time bettor and I know the importance of takeout. There are tracks I stopped playing because I couldn’t win there (for the day). Not saying I need to win all the time, but you would like to think you have a fighting chance. Just maybe, if there was a lower takeout some of those losing days may have been winning days and I would still be playing those tracks.
Well, take a newcomer. How many times do you think they are going to come to the track and keep losing before they decide this is a sucker bet? They will be off to the next gambling/entertainment option.
Dumbing down the game does not need to be odd/even or things like that. Want to make it easy, have a wager each day with eight to ten drivers that have the most drives on a card and let people wager which driver will have the most wins with an option for other drivers. So what if two or three drivers each have three wins for the card, that is three sets of gamblers winning.
Want to make it more individual race based? Why not a double quiniella? Hitting a quiniella is easier than an exacta but try hitting more than one quiniella in a row and you get a nice pay off and while it may cost more than two dollars to have a decent shot to collect, it is going to cost you a lot less than playing pick-4, 5, 6 or 7. We like promoting the big scores these high test exotics pay but you try getting someone new to the sport to start playing $100+ on a bet when they are new and then they only have a remote chance of winning.
17 Oct 2009 at 08:17 am | #
John (and all), You are right: BREAKAGE belongs to the bettors. While we’re at it, let’s give them back their OUTS too - do away with paper tickets. Use plastic bet cards so that the winnings are automatically credited upon the subsequent swipe of the card. BREAKAGE and OUTS are the hidden takeouts. When this issue is broken down to its lowest common denominator it indicates we as an industry must focus our attention on THE ISSUE OF TAKEOUT, ‘commission’ in some jurisdictions, ‘retainage’ in others. Someone higher up the ladder than me should be clamoring for a week-long round-table on TAKEOUT. I believe that is where we can find the answer to our problems. Seriously. Without getting too esoteric: Jockey insurance? Tote interface fees? These are two quick examples of current racing industry tolls that should (could) automatically come out of the TAKEOUT. The tracks, the breeders, the owners, the states (provinces)all need to be taken care of. I’m telling you there is a formula that would be fair to all - smarter people than I need to apply their brainpower to it. Vic
17 Oct 2009 at 04:46 pm | #
WM Corrow:
I see there’s a wmcorrow fan club? I’d like to become a member!!
How much are the annual dues?
17 Oct 2009 at 04:50 pm | #
Corrow,
Believe me I’ve seen plenty of cheap races. You CAN tell the difference. Easily. in fact.
18 Oct 2009 at 06:04 am | #
I’ve been at this game for 60 yrs and I can tell you I don’t give a damn about take out nor does anyone I know care much about it. First of all, only the winners pay the take out.The loser lost his bet anyway so what’s the difference? If I’m looking to get 5/1 and I bet a 5/1 shot I get 5/1. If I can’t get the odds I want then I don’t bet.
Look at the lotteries where you get paid 500/1 or less on a 1,000/1 shot, do the players care?
The problem is too much racing with short fields and VERY short prices. There are too many opportunities for trainers to find spots and with the advent of simulcasting and Internet betting the money is spread too thin.
Most tracks, and especially smaller ones, are dominated by a small percentage of trainers whose horses win at outlandish rates and pay outlandishly short prices especially in places like GG and others.
How can a player hope to make money at tracks with 5-6 horse fields with trainers dropping horses out of the sky?
So, to me, and those like me, the problem is SHORT ODDS. Places like GG,EMD,DEL,etc. make me look for weeks on end to place a bet.
I say let a lot of these tracks go out of business, cut down on winter racing and different conditions have to be written to make races more competitive = Bigger prices = More players!
18 Oct 2009 at 06:51 am | #
OK Pell, you don’t take care about takeout but you care about odds and bigger prices.
Someone needs to clue you in. The lower the takeout, the higher the odds.
Glad to be of service.
18 Oct 2009 at 07:34 am | #
Don’t give me that clue me in crap, I know as much as you do about take. What I’m saying is it’s no big deal. the only guys worried about it are the ones with a ROI of 90% and in my book they are losers anyway without rebates.
18 Oct 2009 at 07:58 am | #
Hey Pell, for the 100th time, people don’t know or care about takeout for the most part when it comes to actually figuring it out or worrying about it, but when it comes to players lasting and coming back day in and day out, they do so if they have the funds to do so. Their gambling funds have everything to do with takeout whether they know it or not.
The same people who don’t care about takeout wouldn’t care if it was 50% or even 70%. But they might not bet because the prices are too low. And they wouldn’t last very long either. Not that they last long to begin with.
Bottom line, high takeout causes players to play less, find other forms of gambling, and causes them to get others to check out the game. It is pretty simple.
Pell, why don’t slot operators double the rake to 20%? Once you answer that question, you might clue in as to why high takeouts are a detriment to horse racing growth.
18 Oct 2009 at 08:23 am | #
Sure, high take outs don’t help, I never said they did. Personally, I wouldn’t care if the take was 30% if the govt. got their nose out of it .I’m sick of W2s and would gladly trade for Canada’s system where they have a higher take and no taxes but of course this is only of interest to winners.
I actually would like to see the pari mutual system done away with and have set odds and let the tracks be bookmakers. The best years I ever had were those betting with Pinnacle and they didn’t put caps on individual payoffs, only on the total amount one could win on a race and they were quite generous, in addition to a 7% rebate. But of course the govt. stuck their nose in it.
18 Oct 2009 at 01:58 pm | #
Maury, (or is that Maur-on?)
It seems that pari-mutuel takeout is already at or near the numbers you cite, in Puerto Rico.
As I said: “Nobody cares”
The $1 pick-six consolation returned 45 cents there the other day, and they still keep putting 200K-300K per day into the pick-six.
Most of you are just self-serving fools who wouldn’t have a clue as to the best interests of the racing industry as a whole.
Take Cangamble, who above blames racing for his visiting family not being exposed to the incredible thrills of online wagering with Cangamble on one visit. He fails to accept any of the blame for his own losing ways, even when, as he suggests, nearly all of his massive losses are offset by rebates (which can be sky high, given the exorbitant mutuel take at the tracks he follows, via his offshore wagering accounts).
Cangamble is the epitome of race track bigwigs all around in that he’s entirely consumed by his finger-pointing while being conveniently incapable of recognizing himself as the true problem.
18 Oct 2009 at 02:35 pm | #
Horatio, I really don’t know why you don’t have more say about how the industry should be run. You have to be the most intelligent person I’ve come across in years. Nothing gets past you.
18 Oct 2009 at 02:50 pm | #
Maury, I apologize for calling you a Maur-on. I am off my meds today, and my doctor said that I shouldn’t post on the internet unless I have my full mental capabilities. I obviously don’t when I post here.
Again, sorry about that.
18 Oct 2009 at 05:17 pm | #
Pell Mell-- any relation to Wmcorrow?
18 Oct 2009 at 08:09 pm | #
Only that I write better stuff.LOL