I caught up with Pierre Bellocq (Peb) two days before New Year's. "I've only got two days to go," he said on the phone.
Peb's long, lustrous career with the Daily Racing Form and its sister publication, the now-defunct Morning Telegraph, officially ended on December 31, but finis actually came months before, over an uncomfortable lunch in Princeton, New Jersey, and should have become obvious to many of his fans on October 25, the concluding day of the Breeders' Cup. On the front of the Form, where Peb's imaginative take on the big day had been a mainstay since the Breeders' Cup began in 1984, there was a full-page color photo of Curlin.
The hatchet men at the Form let Peb pick the good-bye restaurant, a place near his home. "It was ludicrous," Peb said.
The call had come from Mandy Minger, vice president of marketing.
Peb knew few of those he sat down to break bread with.
"They were the new owners," he said. "They had no idea who I was, and what I had done. It was all about how much I cost. They told me they were going to go with photographs instead of my work. I was shocked."
Two years ago, having turned 80, Peb considered retiring. But he had a far different scenario in mind. He thought that the Form might consider one of his sons as his successor. Remi Bellocq, an apple who didn't fall far from the tree, loves racing and can draw, too.
"I'm not bitter," Pierre Bellocq said, "but I just wish it had been handled better. It was very awkward."
The most identifiable people with the Racing Form from the 1950s through the end of the last century were Peb and Joe Hirsch, the newspaper's star columnist. Between them, they totaled more than 100 years with the Form. Hirsch, because of health considerations, left willingly in 2003. The two of them traveled the country and the world for the Form, Hirsch never running out of column ideas or horse people to interview, and Peb, seen with his drawing pad under trees from Saratoga to Longchamp, caricaturing his way across the racing landscape. Besides their editorial output, they were good-will ambassadors for the newspaper and the game. To be quoted by Hirsch or lampooned by Peb was a feather in the cap for most horsemen.
By his own estimate, Peb has drawn about 4,000 sketches and caricatures for the Form and the Telegraph, beginning with the first one, for the opening day of the old Jamaica track, in April of 1955. He had been a cartoonist and amateur steeplechase jockey in France when John Schapiro, who ran Laurel Race Course, brought him to Maryland to do some art work for the debut of the Washington D.C. International race in 1954. Walter Annenberg, who owned the Form, the Morning Telegraph and the Philadelphia Inquirer, also liked Peb's work, and he never went home. For a time, Peb simultaneously worked for the Form and did political cartoons for the Inquirer, but when new ownership took over the Inquirer in the 1970s, they forced him to concentrate on their paper or the Form, and he opted for racing. He was given an Eclipse Award in 1980 for his contributions to the sport.
When he spoke to me the other day, Peb said he was looking at old photos of Joe Hernandez, the track announcer who worked at Del Mar for more than 20 years. Peb, who's been commissioned by Del Mar to do a mural that will include dozens of the jockeys, trainers, owners and celebrities who worked and played at the seaside track, hopes to have the work finished in time for opening day in July. Peb reeled off the names of those he's drawing: Bing Crosby, Pat O'Brien, Jimmy Durante, Oliver Hardy, W.C. Fields, Ava Gardner, Betty Grable, Red Skelton, Lucille Ball, Mickey Rooney and Telly Savalas. He's already captured Durante's schnoz perfectly, in the sports-celebrity mural he drew for Gallagher's, the Manhattan steak house, a few years ago.
"I've already done four or five of them (some of the others can be seen at Churchill Downs, Belmont Park and Aqueduct)," Peb said, "and I hope to do many more. Dinny Phipps (chairman of the Jockey Club) is a good friend, and he's interested in seeing that I get more work. He's like my godfather."
The mural at Churchill, completed in 2005, includes all 96 jockeys who had won the first 130 runnings of the Kentucky Derby. A Peb Foundation is being formed at Keeneland, where many of his sketches will be on display at the track's renowned racing library.
Pierre (no middle initial--he made up the middle letter in "Peb") Bellocq might have lost a gig, but he's not lost a job. His pad and pen will keep him working as long as he likes. As the blogger Dan Kenny quipped, "Peb won't need to stand in any baguette line."


02 Jan 2009 at 07:53 pm | #
John, Happy New Year. I made my Saratoga reservations, July 31-Aug. 11 and Aug.25-31 yesterday for the Landmark Motor Inn in South Glens Falls. But, with the change in dates for the Hall of Fame induction, now on Friday instead of Monday, this may be the first ceremony I will miss in nearly 30 years. I wonder why they changed the dates? I didn’t know about Peb. I’ll miss his caricatures. They were clever and impish. He has great imagination. John, keep up the good work. Hope to see you soon. All the best, Paul Daley, Lowell Sun
02 Jan 2009 at 08:16 pm | #
Comment deleted due to personal attack
02 Jan 2009 at 08:30 pm | #
I’ve been buying the Telegraph and the Form since 1963. I am seriously going to miss Peb’s work. It was always inventive, imaginative, and colorful. A big New Year’s boo to the suits at the Form. They don’t have a clue.
02 Jan 2009 at 09:48 pm | #
sounds like this could have been handled better, but, 2 things:
1) Vic Staufer is in no position to criticize the appearance of others.
2) Maybe he should be hustling mounts for Joel Rosario, or practicing his inaccurate race calls instead of slinging insults at others.
02 Jan 2009 at 11:20 pm | #
Please advise Ms Minger that the form is to expensive to purchase.One store I live near has them stacked on a seperate table,all issues not sold?.Every time I attempt to reason with my self to buy one,the price drives me away.Now,I know why the form is so over priced,it’s because of “Pebs"wonderful longstanding work?.It’s a lot of baloney.Minger’s fate will someday mimic pebs fate.A pink slip.Customers are being ripped off with the obscene price of the paper.Kicking peb out won’t save the day.It’s time to do my crossword puzzle.It’a still 50 cents monday to friday.Sad day for the sport,when will you racng form owners wake up?Wish you well Peb.
02 Jan 2009 at 11:22 pm | #
Those of you still clinging to hopes and dreams of a Thoroughbred racing revival, forget it. It’s dead!
The man running DRF writes eloquent op-ed pieces about how smart he is, and about how he has the back of the $2 player.
Yet the DRF eliminates charts, fires trackmen, consolidates this, cuts that, ad nauseum.
If you ever get a chance, look at a form from the 1980s and compare it to the one nowadays. Yes, the running lines contain a bit more information, but the older DRF was jam-packed with stories, entries and charts from all locales, not to mention stewards rulings, nationwide workouts, and yes, Peb’s golden drawings.
There’s an old saying that applies: penny-wise, pound-foolish. Ped added class and humor to what has become a boring and tired publication, not to mention far less informative.
03 Jan 2009 at 12:44 am | #
Well, finally, an occasion as squalid as the day in 1987 when S.I. Newhouse forced a lunch between the legendary New Yorker editor William Shawn and his hapless successor, Robert Gottlieb, after Newhouse had bought the magazine.
Yet another dismal reminder, that pretty much the final words anyone hears when he/she leaves the world of horse racing are: “Beat it.”
PEB deserved much, much better. But remember this:
He had a respected career that all of us held in the highest esteem. He harnessed his talent as an imaginative, creative painter - and in doing so, greatly enhanced our love of the sport and of art itself.
***Edited Comment***
03 Jan 2009 at 01:45 am | #
Peb, go fly a kite. You’ve earned a good paycheck for decades from racing.
Stop whining about how you were let go. It’s a different world than it was even six months ago. Difficult cuts are being made in companies around the world. Accept reality.
You should be ashamed of yourself for bringing Mandy Minger into your “woe be me” rant. I know Mandy - she is a decent, dedicated and hardworking professional. She had a job to do and did just that - giving you the boot.
Full disclosure - I’ve always felt this guy was a smuck. Thirty two years ago, a guy named Dan, a dedicated high school teacher, had a friend who knew PEB. Dan asked, via the friend, to have PEB draw a caricature of his 12 year-old son as a surprise birthday gift. Dan’s son was a huge fan of horses and racing in general.
One problem - PEB priced this ten minute, token gesture at the equivalent almost two weeks of Dan’s paltry educator’s salary.
Dan never let on to his son what transpired with this pompous artist who called himself PEB.
Don’t worry, Dad I knew. Everything worked out fine.
PEB, reading your bitterness filled comments, the DRF should have fired you via email and saved the lunch bill.
Good luck Mandy Minger
03 Jan 2009 at 01:53 am | #
Houston, we have a problem.
Way to start the New Year with the announcement of the unprofessional dismissal of Peb, by DRF.
Locally, it’s been since mid-April 2008 that the DRF has suspended distribution of the Form to off track outlets. This is the 4th largest city in the country...what gives?
03 Jan 2009 at 07:44 am | #
Greetings, again, from Inner Trackovia. Or more accurately, Outer Flabbergastia -
For at the Meadows Harness (PA) today, Clambake at 19-1 & Speed Talker at 33-1 teamed up for a $4,462 Daily Double.
“Dat’s a lotta clams,” he said, slowly…
And a wholesome salute goes to DRF’s own Mindy Mildewed, who in early October 2008 displayed her management handicapping prowess by hitting the Daily Doublecross (by firing PEB).
Gee, Terry...one would think YOU were the one who got the ax. Alas, your “expose” has a defect.
PEB has made hundreds - if not thousands - of friends since coming to America, and has been welcome simply everywhere he goes in the racing community.
His genial nature is beyond question. His reputation is beyond reproach.
And he earned our respect while working in an industry, which, in the past 30 years, has been abandoned by millions of racing fans, offended by the impervious conduct and incompetence of American racing officials.
What he’s accomplished is the equivalent of a football player being named to the 2008 NFL All-Star team - despite having played for the Detroit Lions.
What you’ve accomplished in stating your opinion, sadly, is to have provided the unwitting revelation that your own temperament and judgement is suspect.
Unwitting, because after reading it, it reminded me of a recent bank robber who was apprehended almost immediately - after having written his stick-up note on the blank side of his pay check stub (which displayed, among other things, his home address).
If you do find a friend distressed by the price of something that would please his son, simply pick up the check. Silently. Then keep it to yourself.
That way, then you’d be the great guy, whom you insist PEB is not.
03 Jan 2009 at 10:09 am | #
People, wake up, the Form has been slashing deeply in all non-essential departments in recent months and years. PEB is 80 years old and he has exactly nothing to worry about with regard to making ends meet.
How exactly will the lack of PEB’s cartoons adversely affect your ability to pick winning horses with DRF materials?
And who really needs published DRF charts anymore when you can download them all free online?
Non-essential stuff is out the door from now on - get it???
03 Jan 2009 at 10:24 am | #
I will miss Peb’s drawings. I do, however, have just one knock against Peb: he always portrayed me, a degenerate lowlife gambler, as unkempt,a boozer, poorly dressed, unshaven, and a physical wreck. A few years ago I wrote the editor, Mr. Crist, asking for a Peb drawing depicting me sitting in the living room, clean shaven, a laptop on my lap, surrounded by fine furniture, with a sharp wife in the background as I was reading the Daily Racing Form.
My contention is that Peb conveyed the wrong impression of me and my fellow gambler. Bums, as his drawings depict, we are not. Many of his drawing solidified the image that the general public has of the people who are at racetracks.
03 Jan 2009 at 02:57 pm | #
I have to agree with Terry, knowing Peb a little as I do. Most turfwriters, as many of you know, expect to be treated like the second coming of Hemingway. Peb expected to be treated like the second coming of Renoir.
03 Jan 2009 at 03:53 pm | #
The depictions of Mandy Minger are cruel and unwarranted. She has always conducted herself with the utmost class and has long been a major asset at DRF.
03 Jan 2009 at 04:54 pm | #
It is a great privilege for me to know Mandy Minger both professionally and personally and I find the character assassination found here to be extremely unfortunate. The industry is better for having Mandy Minger, regardless of the way she has been unfairly portrayed here, and we all would be lucky to have even one friend or colleague of her quality.
03 Jan 2009 at 04:55 pm | #
Not sure which turf writers you have been in contact with, but being one myself, and being around many of them from around the country, I would disagree strongly with saying “most expected to be treated like Hemingway.” Are there some? Of course, as is the case in any business or occupation. But to say “most” is the kind of gross characterization that is often attributed to turf writers.
03 Jan 2009 at 07:18 pm | #
Nowhere in the article does Peb attack that woman.
Vic is the only one who took a shot at her in the user comments section.
I find it sad that bitter guy, Terry Finley, is still holding a grudge over something that happened 30 years ago. Get over it Terry. Sorry Peb didn’t feel the need to give you and your dopey Dad a freebie, big deal. Typical Finley, turning a story about an 80 year old artist, into something about him. It’s always about Terry, boring. Go shave your head.
Either way, Finely and Serling are a bunch of fools. They are doing this woman a great disservice by coming to her aid. Since she is only a VP at DRF, she needs big, hulking tough men like Terry and Andy to protect her from something that never happened. These broads are tough, they can defend themselves if need be. But, in this instance you two clowns created an issue where none existed. And you embarrassed yourselves and the woman.
03 Jan 2009 at 08:52 pm | #
Peb says he wished the firing could have been handled better, but he doesn’t say what DRF could have done to have handled it better!
Actually, I think the firing could have been handled a lot worse. They could have done it with a phone call or e-mail, as a lot of companies do.
04 Jan 2009 at 12:04 am | #
It’s a pity that the DRF no longer understands the traditions of our sport. They have taken a serious drop in class. They are running with the claimers now. PEB will always have a legion of admirers. PEB was to the Form what Norman Rockwell was to the Saturday Evening Post. What a loss.
04 Jan 2009 at 01:55 am | #
Time for Neil Diamond to close this out with his stirring rendition of his delicate Vegas blues serenade, “Mandy.”
Mr. Serling can play the mandolin, if he so desires.
The rest of us - having been admonished to “wake up” - shall do so now in unison, no longer concerned that someone who served the racing community so valiantly has been treated so shabbily.
However, this great awakening will also free us from the future ethical obligation to likewise object to the shoddy treatment of Mr. Serling and the other professional pro-MM advocates responding to this column - when they too, someday, are inevitably dismissed from their lines of employment with the same callous disdain for human dignity.
That mandated silence will, indeed, be golden.
04 Jan 2009 at 02:04 am | #
Doesn’t anyone understand the concept of “don’t shoot the messenger?” Mandy delivered the message. It had to be hard for her. Do you really think it was her decision to fire Peb? She’s just a victim of life’s circumstances.
BTW, doesn’t Vic spell his last name with two “FFs?”
04 Jan 2009 at 02:17 am | #
For the record, my comments were directed solely at the person who insulted Miss Minger under the name “Vic Staufer.”
I’ve always been a fan of PEB and even had the honor of being sketched by him at one time.
04 Jan 2009 at 02:33 am | #
LOL. Stockton State to VP at DRF....
04 Jan 2009 at 06:35 am | #
I’m Vic Stauffer the announcer at Hollywood Park and agent for Joel Rosario.
I did not post those unkind words about Mandy Minger.
I’ve never met or spoken to Mandy.
I’ve enjoyed both Peb and his son Remi’s work for many years.
The form won’t be the same without their excellent work.
Whoever posted using my name should be ashamed.
04 Jan 2009 at 07:13 am | #
Peter Berry, with his usual meticulousness that alone should have warranted his opportunity to audition for the Churchill Downs position, raises a very good point.
Unless the writer’s style is unmistakably his, no one can assume that the name provided as the author of these and other letters is actually the person that may come to mind. “Vic Staufer” well may not be his colleague.
And the clarification of his criticism is most appreciated.
I personally had never previously heard of Ms. Minger, and the forum certainly should be open to those who know her well & will speak in her defense.
It is impossible to think that she had acted with malice. But within the framework of PEB stating that, “We had been so close. She was like a daughter,” a defense is almost unimaginable.
Given her close, personal relationship with him, she certainly had the moral obligation - even at the risk of losing her job - to persuade the new DRF (mis)management that someone else would have to be the bearer of bad news.
And the “lunch” scenario in itself makes one recoil in dismay - another reason why MM should have opted out of being involved.
It’s a variation of the standard cheesy ploy in which a man - having cheated on his wife - now brings his mistress to a dazzling restaurant, counting on the intimidation factor of the public arena to prevent her from making a scene after he’s told her it’s over.
There was no pleasant way to handle this. But given what we’ve learned in the past two days, it is a sobering thought that maybe even a cold, impersonal termination-by-email might have been a more considerate alternative.
Certainly, she has read these remarks written by all of us, and now deeply regrets having had anything to do with this fiasco - engendered by, more than anything else, thoughtlessness.
04 Jan 2009 at 02:50 pm | #
There are two elements of this conversation that surprise me.
The first is that people with no first hand knowledge of the situation, with no awareness of the motives of those involved, feel free to cast aspersions on these people and their behavior. Did anyone here speak to Ms. Minger? Oh, wait, maybe the facts would get in the way of firmly-established opinions. But why would anyone who makes fun of her name be interested in getting at the truth of the situation? It’s far more fun to take uninformed shots.
The second is that, with all due respect to Mr. Bellocq’s body of work, in the discussion of that work no one has mentioned the racist DRF cover that he created for Curlin’s appearance in the Woodward. It may well be a loss to the industry that Mr. Bellocq won’t be contributing to the DRF any more, but I won’t miss the possibility of such work appearing on the newspaper’s cover.
04 Jan 2009 at 03:12 pm | #
I hope Mr Bellocq knows how many fans he has. I will miss his creativeness in connecting current events with big race days.His work is unique in so many ways.
SHAME on the people at the Form to take away such a great TRADITION that is so much apart of the Racing Experience.
just my thoughts.....
Happy New Year everyone !
04 Jan 2009 at 05:24 pm | #
I will miss seeing his work-although I didn’t see what he created on Woodward day-but knew the second I saw the cover on Breeders’ Cup day that he’d gone.
Only thing I hold against him is that he supports Arsenal!
04 Jan 2009 at 05:29 pm | #
***Edited Comment***
Certainly, she should be thankful for all of the personal endorsements from the industry insiders above. Just as certainly, the readers, fans and racing afficianados who follow the game should take those comments for what they are worth: nothing more than rhetoric from the same old clueless stakeholders who have plauged the sport and industry for far too long.
It is unfortunate that the “added value” in racing (people like Peb) are viewed as passe by the stakeholders. Sadly the wrong personnel changes are being made.
04 Jan 2009 at 05:33 pm | #
I’ve always admired Peb’s work. It made the Form special.
04 Jan 2009 at 06:04 pm | #
Peb was a rare gem and the DRF was fortunate to have him for these many years. He brought color, personality and humor into the sport through his caricatures, Equine Comedies, and big-race illustrations. He was an ambassador for the sport and the DRF.
Mandy Minger is a professional and very good at her job. I haven’t asked her about this, but I’ll bet her phone call to Peb was one of the most dreaded things she’s ever done while working for the various owners of the Form.
The news about Mr. Bellocq’s abrupt departure was very similar to this story (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/31/business/media/31voice.html?ref=business) about the Village Voice cutting jazz critic and social commentator Nat Hentoff loose after 50 years on the job. He got a phone call, and that was it. The Voice’s new owners are based in Phoenix and probably had little idea how much Hentoff had contibuted to the paper’s long success before they bought it. The same came probably be said fo the DRF’s new owners and their knowledge (or lack thereof) of Peb’s contributions.
Times change, and in the publishing world owners change. The first thing new owners look to do is increase margins. Since sales aren’t going up, their only strategy oftentimes is to reduce costs.
I would venture a guess that the future of DRF is in online data commerce and not in maintaining on-track sales of the daily paper at the current levels. Peb’s outstanding work doesn’t translate very well into the online world.
If what I read is true, the DRF didn’t handle this very well. Peb deserved a more proper farewell, including a tribute on the front page of the paper that he was such a major part of for so long.
04 Jan 2009 at 06:22 pm | #
With all due respect to Mr. Stauffer, isn’t it possible that there are more than one Vic Stauffers in the world - some of them spelling their last name with one “f”?
PEB is a living legend. His son, Remi, follows closely in his footsteps. He won’t be at a loss for work because DRF no longer has need of his services.
04 Jan 2009 at 07:07 pm | #
This post is in response to entry I made several days ago on the PEB/DRF issue.
I would like to convey sincere apologies to PEB for my insensitive and off the mark comments. I should have known better.
Those remarks were based largely on frustration resulting from the vicious and unwarranted personal attacks toward a friend.
I have never personally met PEB – I do, however, admire his body of work and contributions to the racing industry.
04 Jan 2009 at 08:20 pm | #
Here’s a link to Peb’s Woodward cover that Teresa referred to:
http://cristblog.drf.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/26/nyrawoodwardrev_2.jpg
Draw your own conclusions. (No pun intended!)
04 Jan 2009 at 08:23 pm | #
I’m now kind of suspect as to whether the real Vic Stauffer or Terry Finley really posted to this blog. Terry - don’t you usually capitalize your last name?!~
04 Jan 2009 at 08:32 pm | #
***Edited Comment***
Minger has always been ambitious, so we shouldn’t criticize her for that. But she should have requested that Jim Kostas fire PEB personally. She was a tool.
04 Jan 2009 at 08:39 pm | #
I know the circumstances behind Peb’s dismissal. He was not forthcoming. He went to lunch with his Manager of ten years he knew very well (a man) and Ms. Minger. This is the man who let Peb go. Ms. Minger went solely as a friend to Peb at this Managers request. People need to know the details before they bash others and what a sad world this is when someone tries to be there for a friend and is criticized for it.
04 Jan 2009 at 08:44 pm | #
We are all commenting on the STORY above. That is the PURPOSE of this board. If the facts are incorrect, address Bill Chrstine, don’t attack us for taking the stroy and lodging solicited opinions on a diuscussion board.
If the STORY is true, Minger is a lousy friend. If it isn’t Bill Christine should issue a correction.
Seems like we have Minger’s friends battling people who have read the story. Mandy can clear this up if she wants. I am sure she knows about this board by now.
04 Jan 2009 at 09:06 pm | #
you guys (and gals) sound like you’re still in elementary school. What? You’ve never been fired? It’s usually not amicable. Let’s just be thankful for the time PEB drew for us. It’s not
necessary to point fingers. Me thinks a lot of
similar economic moves will be forthcoming. Maybe you all should be playing golf like me....
04 Jan 2009 at 10:22 pm | #
Hats off and a grateful salute to Mr. Finley for his gracious apology.
In the spirit of this wisdom, I too would like to apologize for using the words “the Daily Doublecross” - referring to what was assumed to be MM’s motive in PEB’s dismissal - in an earlier letter.
This, obviously, is incompatible with the ending of a later letter stating that her role in this matter was “engendered by, more than anything else, thoughtlessness,” a conclusion that I should have arrived at sooner.
As for “Teresa’s” virtually anonymous accusation of PEB being a “racist”:
Michael Cusortelli, thanks for making it possible to see the DRF cover via this site. We can see that there is nothing remotely racist about what is an accomplished, beautiful illustration.
The accusation is slanderous, but it is also made ten times worse when a cowardly accuser does not have the courage to sign their full name to such a reckless assertion. What a horrible thing to do.
In the words of an aghast Napoleonic-era policeman, Limodin:
“"We must speak out, for if this awful system of cowardly anonymous denunciations is allowed to continue, who among our honest and law-abiding citizens cannot be tainted in this manner?”
04 Jan 2009 at 10:53 pm | #
Mr. Reed:
If this site permitted one to sign off with a link, I’d have done so, as I did on Steve Crist’s blog in August when I commented on this disgraceful illustration at that point:
http://cristblog.drf.com/crist/2008/08/dark-day-5-brea.html#comments
I am more than happy to stand by any opinion that I choose to express in public, and I rather consider it a compliment to be vilified by a man who found it fitting to mock a woman’s name and to weigh in with an opinion on a hurtful situation about which he has no first-hand information.
I do wonder why Mr. Christine chose not to seek further information about this situation, given its incendiary nature. Perhaps, Mr. Christine, you could let us know?
Teresa at Brooklyn Backstretch
04 Jan 2009 at 11:09 pm | #
Peb’s “departure” from DRF was reported Dec. 22 first on Dan Kenny’s blog, which can be accessed from Thoroughbred Times.
I know Peb and Mandy as the former bloodstock editor of DRF, and both are fine and talented people.
I spoke to Mandy a few minutes ago, and what happened was not how it was reported.
First off, there were no suits present at the lunch, only Mandy, Peb, and Rich Rosenbush, the editor of DRF.
Therefore, Christine’s statement that “Peb knew few of those he sat down to break bread with,” is false and paints an unfair picture of a setup.
Mandy had tried to persuade the DRF board not to fire Peb, to no avail. She was extremely close to Peb, and was there only to support him after it was clear that DRF was not going to keep him. Rosenbush was the actual hatchet man—his hand forced by the DRF suits.
05 Jan 2009 at 12:12 am | #
I was a bit surprised by the racist remark since racetracks are not exactly considered to be hotbeds of Poltical Correctness, if anything there tends to be an anti-PC bias. I do not consider the Peb cover in question racist and I think that it was an very unfortunate word choice by the poster, unless of course the intent was to throw gasoline on the fire and garner some attention. I for one will miss Peb’s DRF covers and thought they were one of the few remaining items that differentiated DRF from its competition. However, I am also cognizant there are some very significant negative dymamics at play in the publishing industry and as such it would not surprise me if there were others following Peb out the door at some point in the very near future.
05 Jan 2009 at 12:18 am | #
Sid,
Thanks for your post. But we still haven’t heard from the “horse’s mouth.” Or from Bill Christine.
You can take the skunk out of the jury box… but for now the stink remains. Mandy should post, or Bill should publish a new piece. Everyone posting on Mandy’s behalf is all well-and-good, but Bill Christine is an Award-winning journalist, and so some “friends-or-Mandy” posts just aren’t cutting it with many of us.
I think that’s fair.
05 Jan 2009 at 03:00 am | #
Valerie,
Here’s a suggestion. Come upstairs from your basement, open the curtains, go outside, look up at the sun, listen to the birds, go to a park, read a book, in other words, Get a Life. This issue really has you angry. Here’s a thought ITS NOT THAT IMPORTANT. There must be something more important to you in this world than this issue. For goodness sake, volunteer at a food bank, adopt a stray puppy at the shelter, please use your energy for something positive in this world. Horse racing needs positive energy.
05 Jan 2009 at 03:08 am | #
This thread is quite comical. In today’s economy we find issue with an 80yr old being laid off! Come on seriously, what a joke. With all do respect he was a gifted artist that will never be replaced. Leave it at that.
Furthermore, in regards to the DRF. I can tell you that the “suits” or Arlington Capital the owners are industry ignorant. They hired in two consultants with ZERO industry experience to evaluate the publishing companies prosperity. Which in turn has them cutting corners and making changes for the last year. Those are the decision makers. Mandy, Rich and all in the 100 Broadway office are just soldiers with the history, background and understanding. By all means were NOT the sharpening stone, but just the axes in this case. Unfortunately for DRF the future decisions are being driven by a Venture Capital firm looking to turn a profit on their purchase. Same story for the last owners.
But then again “professional journalist” such as Bill Christine should have this covered, right?
05 Jan 2009 at 04:27 am | #
I like how EVERYONE knows the REAL story.
Nobody is talking about “an 80 year-old” getting laid off. Not quite that simple my friend.
And congratulations that you know the address of the DRF.
We are talking about another piece of history and the only notably artist the Racing Form employed being unceremoniously FIRED. Let go is what you do when the Steel Mill closes down. He was FIRED.
Another piece of our rich past falls like so many nickels shooting out of a West Virginia Slot Machine.
05 Jan 2009 at 04:59 am | #
Seriously Mandy. If you are willing to tell the story to countless surrogates, why not just clear the air personally? You have nothing to lose at DRF because you have already told the story to others who have written on your behalf. Hard to believe they would post without first consulting you, since you are all such good friends.
Or have you told them anything at all?
Let us know what really happened in Princeton or wherever this unholy diner was located. Please do.
05 Jan 2009 at 05:38 am | #
Can somebody please explain the Woodward poster? I don’t get it. Who is that at the top of the totem pole? And why were they dancing around it?
Ordinarily, I really enjoy seeing his work. He will be greatly missed.
05 Jan 2009 at 08:15 am | #
***Edited Comment***
05 Jan 2009 at 11:14 am | #
The event that led to this tidal wave of postings has now become almost as notorious as The Last Supper!
The only way we’re ever going to find out the entire truth as to what actually had happened, it appears, is when…
The Hennegan Brothers reveal that they had filmed the event - as part of their next movie, “Silent Spring, The Sequel: The End Of American Racing” (released in France as “The Last Saturday In May").
05 Jan 2009 at 01:46 pm | #
What is apparent here is that if, as stated above, there were only three people at that dinner, Mr. Rich Rosenbush, Ms Minger and Peb and Rich is the one who let Peb go then Mr. Rosenbush is the biggest coward of all time for
1) gutlessly using a woman
2) not defending her on a blog that he has most certainly read while he sits back uscathed as the pack goes after Ms Minger unfairly.
Shame on you Mr. Rosenbush!!!!
05 Jan 2009 at 02:13 pm | #
Mandy Minger is hardly an asset to the form and Peb was. What great marketing of the form exactly has Mandy overseen again? It’s harder to find than ever, the reputation is worse than ever, and competitors who gain market share are simply purchased by DRF to ensure it keeps an sizable majority of available pp resources.
05 Jan 2009 at 02:16 pm | #
***Edited comment because pseudonym was used***
05 Jan 2009 at 05:21 pm | #
vic stauffer says:
04 Jan 2009 at 01:35 am | #
I’m Vic Stauffer the announcer at Hollywood Park and agent for Joel Rosario.
I did not post those unkind words about Mandy Minger.
I’ve never met or spoken to Mandy.
I’ve enjoyed both Peb and his son Remi’s work for many years.
The form won’t be the same without their excellent work.
Whoever posted using my name should be ashamed.
--------------------------------------
Vic, if someone is going to impersonate you the least they can do is spell your name right. Right?!?
05 Jan 2009 at 07:41 pm | #
With GREAT hesitation, and without wanting to get into an even bigger debate, I would like to submit the following regarding my father Pierre “PEB” Bellocq.
First, I have advised my father to “stop digging”! He regrets that he may have mis-spoken so I suggested that he stick to painting and retire from blogging!
Second, my heartfelt thanks - on mine and his behalf - to all the racing fans out there who have admired his work over the years. You have been and are his audience (thanks to the pages of the Morning Telegraph and DRF) all these years and you are the reason he gets up in the morning.
And as to the situation with Mandy Minger and the DRF let me just say:
1.) Mandy Minger is a wonderful asset for the DRF and has done (and continues to do) a great job for them. Moreover, she HAS been like a daughter to my dad, often organizing things and watching over him and, until a few years ago, Joe Hirsch when they’d travel to racing events on behalf of DRF. For that, I will always be grateful.
2.) The “Lunch”: As a son, I’m partial of course. But the issue was NOT whether DRF should have offered my dad a separation agreement. Perfectly withing their rights as a business. In our conversations, he knew given the economic times that it was probably time to move on. Plus, he can continue to actively draw and paint at 80 (I often tell him good thing he wasn’t a mechanic). What stung was that there was no plan - as part of the separation agreement - for any sort of sendoff or tribute. I’m certain that in hindsight, Mandy and Rich would have approached this differently, perhaps convincing the DRF higher ups that a well orchestrated farewell tribute could also be good business(i.e. a final series of Triple Crown covers / poster giveways and signings, etc....?). The good news, however, is that to DRF’s credit, this may still happen!
3.) Peb’s Generosity: Perhaps what hurt the most was the misconception that he only does artwork for a price. As any working artist will attest, you have to charge for your work and evaluate it’s worth. But what went unsaid in these blogs were all the drawings he has donated to individuals, fundraisers and charities over the years - many at my behest. Not to mention all the “freebies” he had to draw during my father/son days at school(thanks dad).
Unlike most kids, my dad and I hardly talk about football, baseball or cars. What we do discuss is the beauty of a good gag, well drawn. Should this horse be drinking a glass of wine? Should this jockey be riding backward? You know typical father son stuff.
What makes my dad’s work unique is that - where I draw something that will be funny for a few days or a week - he draws something that will be funny for 40 years.
My 2009 predictions: We get to see a few more final and hillarious PEB cartoons gracing DRF covers and we get a permanent exhibit of his body of work (at a location to be named later) for us and our kids and our grandkids to enjoy for years to come.
Remi Bellocq.
05 Jan 2009 at 08:04 pm | #
Hi I am the REAL Vic Stauffer.
I just want to make sure that everyone understands three things:
1) I like everyone that could possibly ever help me financially or otherwise. I like everything you’ve ever done in your life and I just generally think you are an asset to my life....er....I mean horse racing. This includes Mandy Minger, Joel Rosario, PEB, Remi, and all others associated with this or any other controversy.
2) I am Joel Rosario’s agent (heh, feels good just typing it).
3) I am here ready to stand by my bold pledge to like EVERYONE involved in EVERY conflict. In fact I love Israel AND Hamas. I love David AND Goliath. Jesus AND Judas!
I love EVERYONE!
Love, Joel Rosario’s agent.
05 Jan 2009 at 08:14 pm | #
Remi,
Thanks for your post. Also, please send my regards to Peb.
Sid
05 Jan 2009 at 08:19 pm | #
Remi,
What did your dad Mis-speak about? You left that part out. Thanks for the post.
Did Mandy tell him in advance to await bad news?
Did Mandy present people he had not met at the lunch (Christine’s assertion, not PEBs)? Or did she present people whom PEB was not expecting?
Was his agent there or not?
Was it handled well or not?
Why should he back down if he is correct. He has given service for 40+ years and is an 82 year-old legend. He owes nothing to anyone.
Incidentally, we had a horse rescue receive several pieces from PEB a few years ago for a silent auction. His generosity should not be questioned.
THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES PEB!
05 Jan 2009 at 08:57 pm | #
Re REMI BELLOQ POST:
While your tepid attempt to restore Minger is admirable, your best point is made in #2.
EXACTLY. They should have had a grand send-off plan for your father. He earned it, deserved it, and would have presumably made a nice retirement bonus out of the proeeds. Additionally, it would have been good for DRF and for racing with added publicity in this ailing economy.
Perhaps the Director of Marketing at the Racing Form has already thought of this.....oh wait....
05 Jan 2009 at 10:15 pm | #
I today’s economy, with people being fired and laid off just as their careers appear to be taking off (and kids get into orthodontia) I cannot find it shocking the the DRF has continued to cut back. As much as I enjoyed PEB, I note that the last time he drew for them was some months ago. As noted, there was no PEB on BC day 2008. If his cartoons were so valued by everyone, why was there no outrage on Cup day?
While a sendoff would have been nice, as someone noted, this is a man who has had a fine career and even at 80, may continue to do so! This isn’t someone who now can’t feed his family or will be forced into a shelter.
As for Mandy, my experience with her has been positive. She’s professional and knows her job well. I cannot imagine that she wanted any part of this but what was she to do? Take the bullet? Refuse to be a party to it and allow herself to be put at risk? How many of you would do that for a co-worker about to fired? Is any person who is involved in the termination of another now defined as a “corporate vulture?” Remember, in this economy thousands of jobs are being lost every day. Companies must cut back to remain viable. Is anyone who keeps his or her job while others are let go a terrible person for doing so? Should Mandy have quit in solidarity?
Let’s be reasonable. There are often more than 2 sides to every story and the one told above includes only one. Yes, I get the “tradition of the sport” argument. I get that PEB was probably worth a nice sendoff party and pleasant reflection by DRF editorial staff, complete with retrospective. That said, PEB had a long and profitable relationship with DRF, one which brought enjoyment to many but the absence of that relationship will not have any long term effect on most of us in this discussion.
05 Jan 2009 at 10:34 pm | #
Jeanne,
I would say MOST of us would give our FRIEND the heads-up.
Nobody has voiced concern for PEB’s ability to support himself, least of all HIM (nor did Remi). SO that issue is a non-starter.
This is a story of loyalty, respect and simple sympathy, and without Mandy’s side being reported by her, she appears to have exhibited none of those three qualities.
We are waiting still to hear from Ms. Minger. I would be more than happy for her to clear this up and for Christine to be wrong and PEB to be Sour Grapes. but those are NOT the current facts in evidence.
05 Jan 2009 at 10:47 pm | #
Remi - A wonderful, gallant letter, thank you; proving again that no artist is complete without a sense of humor, regardless of what he paints or writes or sculpts. You are.
Why does the “recognition fete” have to be held under the sponsorship of DRF? If you organize a non-DRF party, regardless of location or cost of admission, I’ll be there.
To The Fake Real Vic Stauffer: This was the best piece of satire I’ve seen in years. Superb! You had me rolling around on the floor of the barn (time to shower).
To Bill Christine: Boy, this story had LEGS! (another testament to PEB’s popularity). The shelf life of a typical Hollywood movie, produced for $80 million, expires faster than an ice cube in a volcano. This site might have posters until that volcano freezes over.
Question: The current post “#4” - “Harry Balsogna says: 02 Jan 2009 at 04:48 pm | #” - did not exist anywhere on the PEB postings at 5 am this morning (01/05/09).
How is it possible for posts to “jump the line?”
05 Jan 2009 at 11:00 pm | #
Jeanne, it is impossible to take anyone seriously whose attention to detail is so remiss that he or she misspells the first word of a communiqué; in particular, a two-letter word.
05 Jan 2009 at 11:06 pm | #
Don Reed - Balsogna’s post was temporarily blocked by our spam blocking program. For some reason it thought was spam (100’s get blocked each day). I OK’d it this afternoon.
06 Jan 2009 at 12:27 am | #
Why is everyone so shocked by Peb’s firing? The current owners of DRF have fired A LOT of people since taking over. Such as, you ask? All of the handicappers who wrote the Closer Look features, made 1-2-3 selections, laid out pages and performed other duties, among others. So you say the names on the closer looks, etc. are the same ones you’ve seen in the past? That’s true. After firing all of the handicappers in the Lexington and New York offices, DRF hired them back (the ones interested, anyway) to write closer looks as stringers who no longer enjoy any of the benefits (health insurance, 401k, etc.) that come with full-time employment. For each closer look the stringers are paid the royal sum of $20.
Face it folks, the paper is going south along with the rest of the industry. It will never again be owned by anyone with any interest in, or knowledge of, horse racing. It now exists to be traded among private equity groups, each new group being less informed than the one that preceded it. This bridge really had the current owners’s name on it though, who on earth would have paid for it what they did?
This publication sealed its fate years ago though when it fired its trackmen and sold its database to Equibase, conceding the track program business to Equibase and agreeing to pay them a fee for every card of pp’s they produce - in print and online.
Wish Peb well, but don’t be so shocked and outraged. There have been a lot of other good people who have been kicked to the curb by the current DRF ownership strictly for the bottom line who were earning far less and don’t have his skills to fall back on.
Take care.
06 Jan 2009 at 02:31 am | #
This article is not about stringers. Frankly, most real handicappers could write Closer Looks in their sleep and would take the $30 a CL (is it $20 now)?
This article is about a legendary artist being summarily FIRED from the DRF by a 40 year-old surrogate daughter.
I am sure you can find a blog somewhere that would be fascinated by the plight of writers who symopsize a field of eight horses and their relative chances in twenty worrds or less and are therefore paid approximately, by your own assertion, somewhere in the neigborhood of a dime a word. About right for that work.
PEB was worth his weight in GOLD, and the DRF and its goons should have handled this differently.
Sorry but Joe B. Low handicapper does NOT equal the one and ONLY artist of any significanve the FORM used to employ.
06 Jan 2009 at 03:08 am | #
Oh, whatever. The guy drew five or six covers a year these days and was drawing a full-time salary. His work, as good as it was, didn’t sell papers, which is what they are in business to do. You probably think Hovdey is worth his weight in gold too. Yeah, I run into a lot of people who buy a form for his columns. Lol. Take care.
06 Jan 2009 at 03:37 am | #
“Oh whatever?”
Nice response. You sure you deserve a dime a word?
06 Jan 2009 at 04:02 am | #
Mr. Forensic Rebuttal
I have never seen a blogger full of more hate in my life than you. Did you not get any love as a child? It really seems you are angry at the world?
As has already been proven, a woman did not fire Peb, a man did, Mr. Rich Rosenbush, Peb’s long time manager at the DRF and was probably told to do so by his managers, the faceless ownership of the DRF. If you want proof why don’t you call him at the DRF? Or call Peb direct? Obviously your life’s purpose is tied up in this blog. Whatever you do, get a life. You really are quite pathetic. If you had any guts at all you would give us your real name and say what your real reason for your hate mongoring. AH, but that would take courage, something you obviously lack Mr. Anonymous “Forensic Rebuttal” Must be a very unhappy place inside your soul.
06 Jan 2009 at 04:08 am | #
Villani, I am responding to somebody who says:
“Oh, whatever. The guy drew five or six covers a year these days...”
Excuse me, friend, but is VILLANI your real vomplete full legal name?
I am responding in kind to somebody who wished to compare PEB’s mastery with “The Closer Look.”
Like comparing Gone With the Wind to As the World Turns.
Indeed, perhaps you should get a life. I only blogged as of an hour or so ago on this blog. You have been posting for DAYS as I review the previous postings.
06 Jan 2009 at 04:11 am | #
Oh yes ...sorry missed this little gem of a detail...and as you assail me you are defending someone else who identified himself as “The Forensic Accountant.” Obviously my response was a play on his NOM DE PLUME to begin with.
06 Jan 2009 at 04:15 am | #
Sorry, never have and never will write for DRF.
I guess I should have used a hyphen or underscore so you understood. Please add the hyphen and underscore to your list of things worth their weight in GOLD. Here you go - what_ever. Get a life, dude.
06 Jan 2009 at 04:30 am | #
Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You do a gross disservice to PEB by carrying on like this. DRF no longer has need of his services. Happens every day. But DRF could have exhibited a bit more class and made the separation something joyful instead of fodder for the nnh nnh nnh nnh nnh that’s going on here. I’m taking myself off of any further notifications of messages to this blog as I see nothing constructive - just people adept at sniping. I hope PEB and Remi are no longer reading it.
06 Jan 2009 at 06:41 am | #
***Edited Comment due to personal attack***
06 Jan 2009 at 04:13 pm | #
Diverse points of view are always welcome on this site, in fact, they are encouraged. But, please, as we’ve asked before, no foul language and no attacks of a personal nature. Thank you.
Write On!
The Management
06 Jan 2009 at 04:59 pm | #
On message #42, I wrote:
First off, there were no suits present at the lunch, only Mandy, Peb, and Rich Rosenbush, the editor of DRF.
Therefore, Christine’s statement that “Peb knew few of those he sat down to break bread with,” is false and paints an unfair picture of a setup.
Mr. Christine, after getting an email from Peb, recently wrote in his column:
‘An hour or two before I boarded this plane, Peb had reached me, and while he generally approved of most of what I wrote about his dismissal by the Racing Form, he also said: “I would like to clear up something important which may have been misleading, probably by my fault.” He went on to say that none of the new owners of the Form were at the lunch, just two good friends from the paper, Rich Rosenbush, the editor-in-chief, and Mandy Minger, vice president for marketing.’
06 Jan 2009 at 05:14 pm | #
Terry Finley,
I find it interesting that you are critical of PEB’
s pricing when your company, West Point, indsiputably has the highest markups in the thoroughbred syndication marketplace. I asked you a while ago why your pricing is so out of touch and you gave me some mumbo jumbo about being the “gold standard.” Give me a break. You are just passing on your high marketing and advertising expenses to the less informed customer by giving them an impressive presentation, that they wind up paying for. Your company is a joke to the more knowledgeable horse syndication customers out there. Instead of attacking PEB for his fantastic work, maybe you should look in the mirror.
06 Jan 2009 at 05:21 pm | #
I may be an army of one-but for the past 4 years I’ve only bought the DRF when Peb’s cartoons appeared and I’m glad I’ve managed to have a collection of 23 of them that have been gathering dust since 2000 as well as his 1995 book.
I would liken the horrific closure of Joseph Allen and Son (London)-the worlds most famous Horse Racing bookshop with Peb going from the Racing Form. JA Allen had not only the most extensive collection of modern and second hand books on the sport-but the Basement which was private-contained a Treasure Trove which included the Stud Books going right back to the late 18th century. The shop was I believe sold and the new owners opened a gift shop next door-which I think flopped-and eventually Weatherbys purchased it. The stock is now online and the contents of the Basement presumably flogged to a grateful collector.
My Mother who has never been to the US and has no interest in racing-knows who Peb is-from his work in France from the late 40s and early 50s.
Joseph Allen and Son going. Peb going-they really affect no-one but their not being there leaves a void that is impossible to fill.
06 Jan 2009 at 05:29 pm | #
I missed this last bit from Mr. Christine’s column, which quotes Peb:
‘“What I found so ludicrous was that two of my favorite people were delegated by the new owners to give me the bad news,” Peb said. “It was awkward, but I’m not bitter, and above it. I want Rich and Mandy to know that I still cherish their friendship.”’
06 Jan 2009 at 09:09 pm | #
Sad story but sadder posts.
It’s amazing how dismissive our society has become about the arts and artists.
In an aging sport which needs art and color more than any, the thought of the apologists sitting in front of their computer sticking up for the decision, or simply accepting it as a “sign of the times” is sad sad sad.
When can we return to sanity? Our kids aren’t taught art in schools anymore and PEB is being dismissed by so many as insignificant, it’s unbelievable. ART IS IMPORTANT!
06 Jan 2009 at 09:33 pm | #
JRP: Agreed; wholeheartedly.
If Mr. Christine has provided in a later, different column more recent information pertaining to this story, can a notice be posted at the top of the original story alerting readers to see it?
Mr. Douglas: Please! Mr. Finley changed his mind, retracted his original letter and then graciously apologized for having sent it (letter # 32). Read the entire file.
Mr. Finley: It would been appreciated if all racing executives, breeders, etc., in their correspondence identify themselves as such. And if they’re speaking solely as individuals, add a disclaimer that their views are not necessarily those of their company.
Jeremy: You’re not in an Army Uno. According to Steve Crist, the only reason why former NYRA CEO Kenny Noe bought the Form was PEB’s illustrations.
Sad news, indeed. I take it you’re in London. If you ever come to Saratoga (and hurry up, before they destroy it), proceed to the Lyrical Ballad (7 Phila Street).
It’s a magnificent used book store with a ton of soul & all sort of titles, which, of course, include horse racing.
Bring money for ordering food in; you may never leave the premises.
07 Jan 2009 at 05:21 pm | #
Don, Jeremy gets to Saratoga often, he owns a home there. And I apologize for the typos, I have a very sticky keyboard, and am famous for missed letters in my writings.
07 Jan 2009 at 08:19 pm | #
Since i havent bought a form in over 8 years i really have missed Pebs work....
As for me the biggest question is, how does Andy Serling still have a job, for his constant losing picks
07 Jan 2009 at 08:28 pm | #
Very strange pseudo-corrective (Hunter S. Thompson-esque) piece by Christine. I know this is a blog but seriously Bill, if you got the story wrong just say so.
As for Mandy and Rich. They’ll come for you too sooner or later. You should have come up with a marketing plan to send off PEB properly. Everyone could have made money and looked good. No offense, Mandy, but were you really thinking the thing through, or did they say “jump” and you say “How high?”
08 Jan 2009 at 02:30 am | #
Letting people go from a job for whatever the reason happens all the time, and it is never pretty or comfortable. Its a part of business, for the overall business survival or for any reason that there is for cutting down on overhead, getting rid of the unproductive Etc,etc,etc.
Its unfortunate that we wont see the fine caricatures, but all of the print business is on the “disappeared” list. So I guess we can ultimately thank Peb’s leaving DRF on Jobs and Gates and others that fostered the internet.
08 Jan 2009 at 03:17 am | #
WPT you miss the point.
The DRF cut off yet another possible revenue stream. They could have SOLD new designs on the website.
Those of you who don’t know how hot particular horse commodities can be, check ebay around the time of the Triple Crown for items related to whichever horse is destined to not complete the feat. Astronomical prices would accompany ltd Lithos by Peb for, say, Big Brown in the three weeks that led up to the Belmont.
Stupid business decision. Not smart business decision. Not just a loss for the fan, but a STUPID business decision. THere were SO MANY ways to take advantage of keeping PEB around, and nothing to gain from tossing him summarily.
08 Jan 2009 at 08:19 pm | #
Like many managers these days facing budget cuts, it’s difficult to fire someone under any condition, especially if the reason is budget not performance. I’m sure Mandy Minger is a nice person, maybe the message could have been deliver in a more compassionate way. More importantly, I don’t know Vic Stauffer but I too love everybody like the REAL Vic Stauffer. Happy New Year everyone.
12 Jan 2009 at 02:39 am | #
OK the 1st Vic Staufer who said Mandy Minger blah blah blah.....3 stars.
The next Vic Stauffer who said “I never said anything to hurt anyone at any time ever in my life.” Yeah right and boo.
The next Vic Stauffer, the “Real Vic Stauffer” who admitted to loving Jesus and Judas....BRAVO. 5 Star performance.
Now if only Vince DeGregory would weigh in on this board!
16 Jan 2009 at 04:37 pm | #
I’m reminded of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer tells Jerry’s mom how the psychotic Joe DiVola is out to get a piece of Jerry. His mom is flabbergasted and asks, “Who could ever not like Jerry?”
Having done two stints in the racing biz first at NYRA and then alongside Mandy at DRF at the turn of the century, I pose a similar question, “Who could ever not love, respect and admire Mandy?”
I was always envious becuase of how strong and widespread her bonds were at DRF and in racing circles all over the country.
I know and like Peb, too. While he expressed astonishment and angst that Mandy, who had been like a daughter to him, conveyed the bad news, he’ll eventually realize that Mandy was told to do this by her new management and will regret sharing his feelings of estrangement with Bill Christine and readers of this blog.
24 Jan 2009 at 02:46 am | #
To repeat: Differences of opinion and intelligent discourse are encouraged and promoted here at HRI. But personal attacks and foul language are not tolerated. Please refrain. Lowering the bar is not what HorseRaceInsider.com is about. Thank you. HRI management
24 Jan 2009 at 10:09 am | #
Rick:
While your good-will is most appreciated, your letter again sadly demonstrates how people inside of the horse racing business have absolutely no idea what their industry - and the people within it - looks like to those of us who stand independently outside of that environment.
PEB will not and should not have any cause for regret, ever. After decades of exemplary service to the racing industry as both an accomplished artist and a popular ambassador of the sport, he was dispatched with an abominable disrespect for both the artworks that he created and the good-will that he personally generated for the sport.
Those who were responsible for the disreputable circumstances of his dismissal - and at this point, it doesn’t matter who specifically is responsible - are the people, who, if they haven’t already incinerated their consciences in the quest to satisfy their ambition, will be the ones, ultimately, who will come to regret what they have wrought.
24 Jan 2009 at 09:03 pm | #
I agree. It is ridiculous to suggest that PEB will “regret” sharing his feelings. PEB has nothing to regret. And I suspect he does not, or we would have seen quite a different follow-up piece than the “Codename PEBGate” head-fake.
Speak for yourself, Mr. Marks.
26 Jan 2009 at 05:45 am | #
Looking at Comment #2 above, it appears that Vic Stauffer must have said something horrendous to be deleted. The mind wanders. After all, this blog seems to let just about anything through,
...that is…
unless it’s pro-PEB and/or anti-Mindy Minger.
26 Jan 2009 at 05:53 am | #
Dear Comment Deleted...I found this on the Del Mar Chat Forum through a simple google search. Seems to clear up what #2 was all about. Not so bad.....Stauffer’s capable of much more I am sure!
“
dondogs wrote:
Fess up, goof, did you really make this post in the comments?
Quote:
Vic Staufer says:
02 Jan 2009 at 03:16 pm | #
****Edit*****
To repeat: Differences of opinion and intelligent discourse are encouraged and promoted here at HRI. But personal attacks and foul language are not tolerated. Please refrain. Lowering the bar is not what HorseRaceInsider.com is about. Thank you. HRI management
It’s unfortunate that they couldn’t at least cut him back instead of just giving him the axe. Times are changing, but I don’t like it.
I’m sure Peb won’t lack for work, but it’s a change I don’t like.”
29 Jan 2009 at 12:58 am | #
Nice going, Mandy!
15 Oct 2009 at 12:32 am | #
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