It’s not her avoirdupois that causes concern. Rather, it is the weight to be assigned next to the reigning Horse of the Year, who vaulted to the top of the NTRA poll this week after blowing four overmatched fillies and mares off the track in the ungraded New Orleans Ladies Handicap at The Fairgrounds this past weekend.
For the rules of the game still say that the better a horse performs, the more weight she has to carry from then on.
Trainer Larry Jones and owner Rick Porter of Fox Hill Farm know all too well that size does matter, especially when it comes to the impost assigned by racing secretaries for contests run under handicap conditions.
Last year, Havre de Grace suffered a narrow defeat to Blind Luck in the Delaware Handicap, a race that Porter said he dearly wanted to win because it was on his home turf, when she had to tote two pounds more than her rival.
You might say it was only two little pounds, but Rhianna or Kate Moss can tell you that carrying an extra 32 ounces can look awfully heavy when you’re strutting on the red carpet or out on the catwalk.
Jones and Porter are convinced those two pounds are what got Havre de Grace beat on the racetrack and they don’t want to see it happen again to the Big Mare as she campaigns for a couple more Eclipse Awards this year. Consequently, the Grade 1 $500,000 Apple Blossom at Oaklawn Park on April 13, a race she was being pointed for, may not be her next start.
“The Apple Blossom is still the most likely option but we’re not going to be stupid about it,” Jones said in a story on Tuesday’s Bloodhorse.com. “We’re not going to be spotting good horses a whole lot of weight. Last year we felt like we were unfairly dealt with in the Delaware Handicap.”
This is where the story takes another twist. Pat Pope was the racing official who assigned Havre de Grace top weight of 124 pounds in the Delaware Handicap. Pope, who’s been around a long time and is well respected in the industry, just happens to also be the guy at Oaklawn who decides which horse gets what weight after the nominations come out.
Not only does the track in Hot Springs, Arkansas host the Apple Blossom, but the $350,000 Grade 2 Oaklawn Handicap one day later on April 14 is also part of the track’s prestigious Racing Festival of the South.
Yes, the operative word in the race’s title is “handicap”. Even the allowance for her gender may not make a difference.
“Look we know we’re going to have to carry more weight than most horses in the country. We understand that,” Jones went on to say. “But I’m also not fixing to give a multiple Grade 1 winner a lot of weight just because we have an Eclipse Award that was done off of votes and doesn’t take into account what happened on the racetrack. I’m not going to spot a lot of weight to a horse that has as many grade 1s as we have.”
Speaking of the Oaklawn Handicap, Porter said, “We will have weight issues on a regular basis, so we might as well run against the boys.”
Nonetheless, Havre de Grace, who recently had the City of Havre de Grace, Maryland Arts Commission release a new medal that bears her likeness, does have other options. There isn’t a racetrack in the country that wouldn’t want her (think of the marketing and PR possibilities) and you can bet that every stakes coordinator is trying to hustle Jones to enter her for the signature events.
The Grade 1 $400,000 Odgen Phipps at Belmont on May 28 comes to mind. The race is at 1 1/16 mile, a distance she clearly liked in her last race when she crossed under the wire in 1:42.79 and ran the mile in a sprite 1:36 off a long layoff. Right now, Awesome Maria, last year’s Phipps winner, and Awesome Feather are said to be pointing there as well and they are both fabulously talented.
Havre de Grace, a daughter of Saint Liam who has earned over $2 million in her career, can’t stay in the barn munching on her hay rack and resting on her Eclipse Awards. Porter brought her back this year to race and her one-hell-of-a-comeback in the New Orleans Ladies proved she wants to race.
She’s already scared off from the Apple Blossom Include Me Out, who won the Grade 1 Santa Margarita Invitational last weekend, according to trainer Ron Ellis.
April 7 is the day the weights come out for the Apple Blossom, and then they will be released for the Oaklawn Handicap. Jones, Porter and Pope certainly aren’t the only ones who have the date circled in red on the calendar.


21 Mar 2012 at 05:30 am | #
“Jones and Porter are convinced those two pounds are what got Havre de Grace beat on the racetrack and they don’t want to see it happen again to the Big Mare as she campaigns for a couple more Eclipse Awards this year.”
That’s a lot of #2. 2 pounds to a horse running 1 mile is analagous to a man carrying a fly on his back and running 100 yards. Guess everybody needs an excuse when they lose. When a horse does #1, it is like a river, and they lose more weight than that. Why not make the excuse, “my mare would have won the race, but we just couldn’t get her to tinkle.” And speaking of #2, did you ever see a large pile of horse doo-doo? How’d you like to carry that for a mile and an eighth? Ever heard the phrase “That’s some heavy &^*% man!” The moral of the story is, if you handicap, and place wagers, and you enter 2 pounds into your handicapping calculations, you are wasting your time, and money. Speaking of heavy burdens, I’m glad I got this off my chest.
TTT
21 Mar 2012 at 08:33 am | #
T, I’m really surprised, a man who makes his own numbers pooh-poohs weight? I refer you to page 44 of the Fotias opus “Blinkers Off,” Five pounds equals 1 point on the Equiform Data scale.
Two pounds at 10 furlongs is worth approximately 1 length, according to Fotias (don’t believe anyone ever has disputed his math). Difference of a nose, IMO, most definitely makes a difference.
Of course, Blind Luck just might have been the horse horse on the day, anyway, but that’s not truly knowable.
Happy handicapping!
21 Mar 2012 at 09:37 am | #
For arguments sake, if the average race horse weighs 1,000 pounds, and the average man weighs 175 pounds, the 2 pounds equates to about 5.6 ounces for a man. Do you really think that in a foot race that 5.6 ounces would make such a difference as to skew the outcome when 1 man is a superior runner to the other. I lose more weight than that looking at a pretty woman. A race horses weight is in constant flux; much more than a human, which is my point. I stand by my statements, and hope you will adjust your thinking accordingly. I would be happier if Larry simply would say, we got beat; it happens. She is not a God.
TTT
Terrorist of the Turf
21 Mar 2012 at 10:04 am | #
Weight is always in the conversation, and like TTT said- win or lose. If every racing secretary had $1 for each time a trainer said “I’m not going to run because I don’t like the weight” or after the race said, “Well, we were giving the winner (how many) pounds”....
21 Mar 2012 at 10:53 am | #
Ms. Snierson, I understand the “gamesmanship” involved in these situations, as I have the highest regards for Larry Jones. But at times, it is easier to say you won’t be running because of a certain weight, to put pressure on the next guy to take this into account, especially when you have a draw like Havre de Grace. She could probably carry 20 pounds more, and beat anything that is out there. What do I know; yeah, and they canceled “Luck” because of the death of horses. Disinformation is just wrong.
TTT
21 Mar 2012 at 11:26 am | #
Dear Top Turf Terrorist,
Toting two pounds too much before the race even started was enough to take me off a horse its jockey wouldn’t. It was extremely rare in NY through the ‘70s to see a horse win there carrying more than its assigned weight.
When I got to CA, however, horses routinely won with overweights, especially if the jock was Lafitt Pincay, my top turf tormentor at the time.
21 Mar 2012 at 11:29 am | #
Lynne, Interesting topic, Heavy stuff,
If you look at it from TTT’s perspective, a couple of pounds of weight should not make a difference for large athletes like horses.
So how come apprentice jockeys or “bug riders” get weight allowances and numerous mounts, resulting in a high % of wins. Then when they lose their “bug” get fewer mounts and wins.
Why have handicaps, weight for age, weight allowance conditions and weight claiming allowance races been in existance forever in horseracing? Bottom line, it must make a difference, equals the playing field, and trainers will protect their horses for their owners.
Wow wouldn’t that be great if Gracey, Maria, and Awesome Feather all show up for the Phipps. Although I know someone who wouldn’t care. LOL and the beat goes on....
The road is long
With many a winding turn
That leads us to who knows where
Who knows where
But I’m strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain’t HEAVY, he’s my brother....
21 Mar 2012 at 12:49 pm | #
Just wondering, how many of you above commentators have bet on the nags today?
Also, just wondering, isn’t weight about one of about fifty things to consider when handicapping a race.
Have any of you read the current Andy Beyer article in Daily Racing Form. Ole Andy is about my age, but his reasoning in this article leaves be flabbergasted (nice word Wendell. Thank you sir).
21 Mar 2012 at 01:33 pm | #
WMC,
Nags? ... Yes I just won with Shug’s horse at the Big A. $10.80 thankyou Shug.
Flabbergasted? Hmmmmmm impressive, horseracing left a generation of horseplayers in the dust. Didn’t Lynne cover what Beyer wrote last week?
21 Mar 2012 at 02:08 pm | #
TTT, as an aside, a horse carries the weight on his back, it’s not evenly distributed over its entire body.
Ah, the difference of opinion that makes a horse race. What a wonderful thing.
21 Mar 2012 at 02:52 pm | #
I thought I did cover what Beyer wrote about last week. I don’t like seeing racing and the horsemen kicked to the curb.
21 Mar 2012 at 03:10 pm | #
From Snierson’s commentary last week, I do not read anything about a couple of comments Ole Andy made:
1) ‘The day-to-day racing at Parx and Delaware Park is just about as dreary as it was before slots inflated the purses’.
2) ‘While the money has benefited owners, trainers, and Pennsylvania breeders, it has done nothing to popularize or improve horse racing. On the contrary, it has hurt the sport in some ways. At a time when almost every track is suffering from a shortage of Thoroughbreds, the horses who go to Erie could be running at a viable track, helping them to offer a better product instead of racing an a place where almost nobody watches’.
Now, the above statements by Ole Andy have more holes in them than a slice of Swiss cheese. What bothers me most is that turf writers haven’t had the intestinal fortitude to tell Ole Andy that he should take a vacation.
Were is the outrage over such erroneous comments? Where is the rebuttal commentary from fellow turf writers? Oh, I forgot, ‘we stick together’.
More on this subject tomorrow or the next.
21 Mar 2012 at 10:28 pm | #
“It’s not [Havre de Grace’s] avoirdupois that causes concern.”
Darn right. That’s the Nancy de Grace issue.
22 Mar 2012 at 09:19 am | #
On a related matter, I’ve made it a religion not to throw around statistics and percentages to people, but anybody who has followed this game for any length of time, has seen that the horse carrying the higher weight wins more often than those carrying less. Take a look at if for a month, and see if I’m not correct. Therefore, contrary to most handicapping axioms, carrying less weight should be a negative, not a positive, when attempting to determine the outcome. Thank you for allowing me my position on this.
TTT
22 Mar 2012 at 11:30 am | #
I will be Tebow-ing in prayer today that the sport of kings will survive.
Tommy used to work on the docks
Unions been on strike
Hes down on his luck...its tough, so tough
Gina works the diner all day
Working for her man, she brings home her pay
For love - for love
She says weve got to hold on to what weve got
cause it doesnt make a difference
If we make it or not
Weve got each other and thats a lot
For love - well give it a shot
Chorus:
Whooah, were half way there
Whooah, Livin on a prayer
Take my hand and well make it - I swear
Whooah, Livin on a prayer
Tommys got his six string in hock
Now hes holding in what he used
To make it talk - so tough, its tough
Gina dreams of running away
When she cries in the night
Tommy whispers baby its okay, someday
Weve got to hold on to what weve got
cause it doesnt make a difference
If we make it or not
Weve got each other and thats a lot
For love - well give it a shot
Chorus:
Whooah, were half way there
Whooah, Livin on a prayer
Take my hand and well make it - I swear
Whooah, Livin on a prayer
Weve got to hold on ready or not
You live for the fight when its all that youve got
22 Mar 2012 at 12:51 pm | #
Coming on, Teddy. The reason most of the winners are carrier higher weights is that they either have more inherent ability or have accomplished more in the recent past than their rivals and the lower weight is an inducement to attract a greater number of entries.
And if you reject any of what I’ve said on the matter, isn’t it enough to know that that’s the way horsemen think and enter their starters accordingly? If it’s important to them, should it be important for the handicapper?
22 Mar 2012 at 12:54 pm | #
Tx3,
I agree with #14 only because we no longer get handicap stakes races with meningful highweight assignments and weight spreads that give lightweights a real chance to upset.